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Post Reply What's up with American Christians and imagined persecution?
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Posted 9/21/15
fox news is run by a very conservative group, and is regarded by many informed individuals as "junk news"
Mike Huckabee - who cares what one guy says? and surprise: he's republican.
Trump should be regarded as a troll candidate at this point.
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Mostly because of LGBT rights; particularly the Obergefell ruling and application of state anti-discrimination law Christians now realize that their religious beliefs do not supersede law.

Anything else I have to say is just giving specifics to that general claim.
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Posted 9/22/15


dougeprofile wrote:


gvblackmoon wrote:






The proof you provide fails to pass the law Doug. The Deceleration of Independences is not the law of the land it has only one thing to do the with the founding of this country and that is tell England and King George to go pound sand. There are zero laws defined or derived from the Deceleration of independences this is a misleading lie that the right and big business has spread.

Again I will point out that the personal beliefs of any leader and their statements is not proof that this country was founds as a Christian nation. The law of the land is what we draw our rights from and our laws from and that is the Constitution not the bible. Yes they had religion everyone had a religion they also had slavery and women couldn't vote do you believe we should adopt all their personal views when it comes to running the country?

The law is how this country and nation are founded. You do not found a nation on beliefs but laws and those laws are clear and concise. They are embody in the First amendment In the Constitution and Article Vi of the Bill of Rights. The very definition of a Christian nation is one that has a religion built into it's laws not one that has a secular government.

The First Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Article VI "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States"'

As you can see the first precludes and law establishing or respecting a religion the second forbids and test to be applied to hold office based on a religion. To have a nation founded on a religion you require it to have those things a religion in law and that those who lead be part of that religion.

Secular government precludes the very idea of us being a Christian nation since as I have stated time and time again that you can't have both they are competing ideas. To have both is fantasy and a fevered dream of the right pumped up by big business. You don't get it both ways you have one or the other. Yes the founders where Christian but that doesn't mean the nation is that is a compositional argument. IE If A then B has to be true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state
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Posted 9/22/15 , edited 9/22/15
I am a christian and my son is gay. Personally i think everyone needs to tone down the retoric on both sides. I know what the bible says and i understand the pain those in the lbgt community have felt but let's get serious here. How is going after each others jugulars going to advance annyone's objectives? Here's a novile thought. Let's actually try to find common ground and have a rational conversation. You know, rather than trying to just shout each other down.... Because that vitorol has just worked so well. (Sarcasum there)
There is a great deal of relidious persecution against christions (some of, but not all of it is deserved)
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Posted 9/22/15 , edited 9/22/15
I'm fairly sure Christians don't make up 70% of Americas population.

Edit: never mind all the surveys point to 70% but I must stress just because someone ticks the "Christian" box doesn't make them most certainly Christian.
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Posted 9/22/15

foraslan wrote:

Does anyone else think this seems like an obvious flame-bait thread?


"Think" it is?
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