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Only thing I'm really looking forward to is Attack on Titan: High School and that anime based of an old 90s Japanese novel. I think the name is called The Perfect Insider?
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meh....nothing much that good this season...and CrunchyRoll seems to not be getting any of the good anime.
Might cancel after this year is up..
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Pretty much a response to the recent discussion about the UK streams I've been noticing.

As a UK anime fan I'm also frustrated by how Funimation picks up certain titles and doesn't even bother using them for us. I've been keeping an eye on what sites have picked up and overall Viewster is the only one that's bothering to actually try and help UK, Ireland and in some cases folks in Europe.

Out of the 15 titles Funimation grabbed in the Summer season; Viewster managed to pickup 6 (Castle Town Dandelion, Chaos Dragon, Gangsta., Hetalia: The World Twinkle, Prison School & Snow White with the Red Hair), Daisuki randomly* got 4 (Aquarion Logos, Bikini Warriors, Gangsta. and Hetalia: The World Twinkle) and dumbass Animax UK got 2 (Overlord and Rampo Kitan: Game of Laplace). The only ones we missed out were Junjo Romantica 3, Seiyu's Life, Shinometa, Sky Wizard's Academy and Venus Project Climax. While it still sucks that not all of them were available, that season was handled much better than the previous ones.

*I say randomly because Funimation sub-licensed the titles to them but they were supposed to be US & Canada only. Not long after the UK got access to them and they weren't even advertised.

While Wakanim UK was a failure (which I'd admit that because delays aren't going to help anyone), Viewster at least is keeping up - they're still a tad behind Crunchyroll with only 480p quality (it's watchable but there are fans out there who only watch shows in HD) but it's free and they do have plans for ad-free HD subscription at some point this fall.

As for the state of this Fall season, so far the UK has been in luck with a bunch of titles.

Crunchyroll has every title accessible for the UK thus far - including Asterisk War and Owarimonogatari.

Daisuki, for the first time ever, has every title in their line-up accessible for the UK (usually it's a couple) - including Concrete Revolutio, Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans and One Punch Man.

Viewster is just started to roll out their announcements and they so far have Comet Lucifer, K: Return of Kings (we didn't even get the first season accessible over here aside from Animax UK) and Seraph of the End Season 2.

The only thing that is blocking the UK from getting certain titles is mainly from TBS, TMS, Toei, titles that are solely for French/German audiences because of Funimation, and someone like Animax making titles exclusive to them and not allowing CR to provide their version for us (i.e. Aniplex's Magi, Mekakucity Actors, Nisekoi & World Conquest Zvezda Plot).

Either way, the whole UK situation is much better than usual. Crunchyroll will still be struggling with a lot of titles thanks to Funimation though.


That's a helpful summary, thanks. It's still godawful moving between all these different services in the UK, it's hard to keep track.

Unfortunately the Daisuki app is the worst designed that I've ever experienced (and has no Chromecast support) Viewster is a bit better now (except Chomecast support vanished in the latest update). Not to mention the ads. And of course Funimation's streaming is legendarily bad even when you can get it (and their subtitles! oh, so tiny and pixelated). Even on Hulu they can only manage 720p. Only Crunchyroll performs consistently well, with solid 1080p streams and usable apps, uncluttered UI, proper subscription choices AND properly rendered subtitles. I'd always choose Crunchyroll over the others for these reasons alone.

Shame that Crunchyroll is being squeezed out by these other companies that offer relatively crappy experiences by comparison.
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Chrunchyroll, Pleeeeease simulcast "Attack on Titan Junior high" Please Please! I'll wuv you forever.


Unlikely, because Funimation would be picking that up since they have the Attack on Titan series.
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Unlikely, because Funimation would be picking that up since they have the Attack on Titan series.

Did you forget CR also does?

That said, I won't be surprised if it turns out to be exclusive to Funimation. It isn't as high profile as AoT proper.

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What mostly happens in Europe is that if Viz or Funi get a show in the US, more often than not we don't get it anywhere. I don't know why, I don't know if it's due to some law/rule or simply something that coincidentally happens, but it's a pretty strong correlation at this point. Maybe they reserve the rights to distribute the DVDs later, maybe there are other agreements. There was a concurrent website that tried launching some time ago, All The Anime, that never took off (mostly due to crappy management, for example one of the first shows they streamed in the UK was Kill la Kill but they started delaying the release and then basically all but stopped mid-show) and quickly turned into a DVD-selling site. Now, for the UK, some big anime that are region-locked on CR are available on Netflix (TTGL, Kill la Kill, FMAB). Attack on Titan and HunterXHunter are currently available on both, increasing my confusion as to how the fuck is this licensing system supposed to work - I guess some publishers simply don't give out exclusive licenses.

For example this season we didn't get Shimoneta, Prison School, Overlord, and Gangsta, on anything that I know of. Dragonball Super is out of the question too. One Piece on CR is region-locked btw, because why the fuck not (and NO, we don't have an alternative site streaming it).

If I have to say which shows from the last season I've followed on Crunchyroll that'd be... Ushio to Tora, and that's it. Ore Monogatari too, from the previous one. Now, I'm not saying that it's like they don't matter, but when I see CR getting a bucketload of stupid comedy shorts, no big names yet (except Owarimonogatari I guess, which admittedly I don't care for but that's just me), and every half decent thing is region locked... eehhhhh. I'd like it to get *at least* Concrete Revolutio, I guess, at this point.

The really annoying thing is that Crunchyroll is the only service that works more or less across the Atlantic. It's the only model that makes sense in the modern world, because what the heck is the point of nation-wide licenses when everyone is connected to everyone else and we all watch the same stuff all over the globe? It's just a relic of the past, and the sooner it dies off like it should, the better. AT LEAST we should have a EU-wide licensing system. And yet, CR feels like it's lagging behind its competitors in the U.S. from this point of view - losing the big shows that could provide them a huge influx of viewers, and losing them for the entire world when the competitor only needs them for the U.S. anyway. What is the logic of that? Say that Viz has licensed One Punch Man, fine. If Viz has no intention to set up a decent streaming site in the UK, could they PLEASE at least stop intentionally fucking with the licensing terms so that we don't get it either?

I know it's not necessarily CR's fault. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying I see CR as being ever more "specialized" in airing the anime that no one else cares about, pointing on a quantity-over-quality strategy rather than pointing their money on grabbing less anime but of higher relevance to everyone. Maybe they don't have any choice. Maybe it's a tactic. But the result of it is that I'm in the ridiculous position of living in the UK and feeling already at the periphery of the English-speaking market. If I lived elsewhere in Europe I probably would not even bother with a CR subscription, because everyone else has it even worse than us.



Hmm, I don't know the reason for that. Somebody else mentioned that Funimation sub-licenses it to the UK, which I'll take their word for it due to the lack of my knowledge about the situation (I could research it, but I still don't know if I'd find a solid answer to your question). It seems like it could be a coincidence or that Funimation has some influence over the UK. Honestly, I can only imagine how much of a complicated mess the licensing arena is. Animax could license shows from Funimation, or they could do it straight from the production company...on the other hand, they might even prevent certain shows from being streamed (perhaps due to exclusive DVD rights). Attack on Titan was co-simulcasted by both Funimation/CR. I see most Funimation-licensed shows end up on Netflix, but so do non-Funi shows (perhaps due to Netflix's own pursuance of licenses).

Trust me, I'm as confused as you are when it comes to licensing lol. I wish I knew what exactly happens and how certain streamers get what...some production studious issue exclusive licenses. It's definitely not a black-and-white situation...there's a lot of gray area that I certainly don't understand. There's so many players: CR, Animax, Daisuki, Funimation, Viz, Netflix, and newcomers in the licensing arena, so I'm sure a lot of bidding wars occur and certain companies either have exclusive rights to certain titles/licensors, or they have deep pockets aiming for very few shows. I know what you're talking about...it does seem like whatever Funimation/X company doesn't get, CR picks up...I think it's part of their strategy and business model. More variety means more people would come in to watch what they want. I agree that I think nation-wide streaming licenses are a bit outdated. Exclusive physical distribution licenses still make sense to me, but not streaming licenses. It would make things a whole lot simpler if these companies (outside of CR) went global and served a global market. It's more competition, but it would make the licensing process much simpler. But again, I don't know the inner-workings of licensing deals.

I think the disparity between us is what is considered 'specialized' or 'big-market' titles. I'm not calling you out, because you have a point. But some titles that I believe to be highly-anticipated and big-market, CR has gotten. The problem is, I don't know the regions of all of these shows that I mentioned, so I can't exactly list examples that are relevant to you and the discussion. I know you guys don't get nearly as big a selection as we do in NA, and it's probably really frustrating when you see the relationship between Funimation getting a show and the UK not getting a license for that show. It seems like this season might be a little better. It does suck when CR gets a show for Europe but has to exclude the UK because of it's an English-speaking country (which makes zero sense) because Funimation or Viz has a license to it. On the upside, we can say that the UK is getting a decent amount of shows this season...maybe not what you're looking for, but better than previous seasons.

We didn't get Dragonball Super here at all either, which brings me to believe that the production company was being really greedy licensing the show. Concrete Revolutio is Daisuki exclusive, so we'll all be watching it on Daisuki unless CR has a delay-cast, which might happen (since God Eater was the same way).
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What mostly happens in Europe is that if Viz or Funi get a show in the US, more often than not we don't get it anywhere. I don't know why, I don't know if it's due to some law/rule or simply something that coincidentally happens, but it's a pretty strong correlation at this point. Maybe they reserve the rights to distribute the DVDs later, maybe there are other agreements. There was a concurrent website that tried launching some time ago, All The Anime, that never took off (mostly due to crappy management, for example one of the first shows they streamed in the UK was Kill la Kill but they started delaying the release and then basically all but stopped mid-show) and quickly turned into a DVD-selling site. Now, for the UK, some big anime that are region-locked on CR are available on Netflix (TTGL, Kill la Kill, FMAB). Attack on Titan and HunterXHunter are currently available on both, increasing my confusion as to how the fuck is this licensing system supposed to work - I guess some publishers simply don't give out exclusive licenses.

For example this season we didn't get Shimoneta, Prison School, Overlord, and Gangsta, on anything that I know of. Dragonball Super is out of the question too. One Piece on CR is region-locked btw, because why the fuck not (and NO, we don't have an alternative site streaming it).

If I have to say which shows from the last season I've followed on Crunchyroll that'd be... Ushio to Tora, and that's it. Ore Monogatari too, from the previous one. Now, I'm not saying that it's like they don't matter, but when I see CR getting a bucketload of stupid comedy shorts, no big names yet (except Owarimonogatari I guess, which admittedly I don't care for but that's just me), and every half decent thing is region locked... eehhhhh. I'd like it to get *at least* Concrete Revolutio, I guess, at this point.

The really annoying thing is that Crunchyroll is the only service that works more or less across the Atlantic. It's the only model that makes sense in the modern world, because what the heck is the point of nation-wide licenses when everyone is connected to everyone else and we all watch the same stuff all over the globe? It's just a relic of the past, and the sooner it dies off like it should, the better. AT LEAST we should have a EU-wide licensing system. And yet, CR feels like it's lagging behind its competitors in the U.S. from this point of view - losing the big shows that could provide them a huge influx of viewers, and losing them for the entire world when the competitor only needs them for the U.S. anyway. What is the logic of that? Say that Viz has licensed One Punch Man, fine. If Viz has no intention to set up a decent streaming site in the UK, could they PLEASE at least stop intentionally fucking with the licensing terms so that we don't get it either?

I know it's not necessarily CR's fault. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying I see CR as being ever more "specialized" in airing the anime that no one else cares about, pointing on a quantity-over-quality strategy rather than pointing their money on grabbing less anime but of higher relevance to everyone. Maybe they don't have any choice. Maybe it's a tactic. But the result of it is that I'm in the ridiculous position of living in the UK and feeling already at the periphery of the English-speaking market. If I lived elsewhere in Europe I probably would not even bother with a CR subscription, because everyone else has it even worse than us.



Hmm, I don't know the reason for that. Somebody else mentioned that Funimation sub-licenses it to the UK, which I'll take their word for it due to the lack of my knowledge about the situation (I could research it, but I still don't know if I'd find a solid answer to your question). It seems like it could be a coincidence or that Funimation has some influence over the UK. Honestly, I can only imagine how much of a complicated mess the licensing arena is. Animax could license shows from Funimation, or they could do it straight from the production company...on the other hand, they might even prevent certain shows from being streamed (perhaps due to exclusive DVD rights). Attack on Titan was co-simulcasted by both Funimation/CR. I see most Funimation-licensed shows end up on Netflix, but so do non-Funi shows (perhaps due to Netflix's own pursuance of licenses).

Trust me, I'm as confused as you are when it comes to licensing lol. I wish I knew what exactly happens and how certain streamers get what...some production studious issue exclusive licenses. It's definitely not a black-and-white situation...there's a lot of gray area that I certainly don't understand. There's so many players: CR, Animax, Daisuki, Funimation, Viz, Netflix, and newcomers in the licensing arena, so I'm sure a lot of bidding wars occur and certain companies either have exclusive rights to certain titles/licensors, or they have deep pockets aiming for very few shows. I know what you're talking about...it does seem like whatever Funimation/X company doesn't get, CR picks up...I think it's part of their strategy and business model. More variety means more people would come in to watch what they want. I agree that I think nation-wide streaming licenses are a bit outdated. Exclusive physical distribution licenses still make sense to me, but not streaming licenses. It would make things a whole lot simpler if these companies (outside of CR) went global and served a global market. It's more competition, but it would make the licensing process much simpler. But again, I don't know the inner-workings of licensing deals.

I think the disparity between us is what is considered 'specialized' or 'big-market' titles. I'm not calling you out, because you have a point. But some titles that I believe to be highly-anticipated and big-market, CR has gotten. The problem is, I don't know the regions of all of these shows that I mentioned, so I can't exactly list examples that are relevant to you and the discussion. I know you guys don't get nearly as big a selection as we do in NA, and it's probably really frustrating when you see the relationship between Funimation getting a show and the UK not getting a license for that show. It seems like this season might be a little better. It does suck when CR gets a show for Europe but has to exclude the UK because of it's an English-speaking country (which makes zero sense) because Funimation or Viz has a license to it. On the upside, we can say that the UK is getting a decent amount of shows this season...maybe not what you're looking for, but better than previous seasons.

We didn't get Dragonball Super here at all either, which brings me to believe that the production company was being really greedy licensing the show. Concrete Revolutio is Daisuki exclusive, so we'll all be watching it on Daisuki unless CR has a delay-cast, which might happen (since God Eater was the same way).


Yeah, Daisuki seems to be picking up, which I assume is good. I'll use it more often.

As for DB Super, no comment, seriously. They're pushing a whole "DB Renaissance" thing, with Battle of Gods, Resurrection of F (which premiered in London just a couple days ago), and DB Xenoverse worldwide on Steam... streaming DB Super would have only strengthened the brand at this point. But noooo, let's hold onto that just for the Japanese public. Because who the fuck knows.
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NormanicGrav wrote:

Pretty much a response to the recent discussion about the UK streams I've been noticing.

As a UK anime fan I'm also frustrated by how Funimation picks up certain titles and doesn't even bother using them for us. I've been keeping an eye on what sites have picked up and overall Viewster is the only one that's bothering to actually try and help UK, Ireland and in some cases folks in Europe.

Out of the 15 titles Funimation grabbed in the Summer season; Viewster managed to pickup 6 (Castle Town Dandelion, Chaos Dragon, Gangsta., Hetalia: The World Twinkle, Prison School & Snow White with the Red Hair), Daisuki randomly* got 4 (Aquarion Logos, Bikini Warriors, Gangsta. and Hetalia: The World Twinkle) and dumbass Animax UK got 2 (Overlord and Rampo Kitan: Game of Laplace). The only ones we missed out were Junjo Romantica 3, Seiyu's Life, Shinometa, Sky Wizard's Academy and Venus Project Climax. While it still sucks that not all of them were available, that season was handled much better than the previous ones.

*I say randomly because Funimation sub-licensed the titles to them but they were supposed to be US & Canada only. Not long after the UK got access to them and they weren't even advertised.

While Wakanim UK was a failure (which I'd admit that because delays aren't going to help anyone), Viewster at least is keeping up - they're still a tad behind Crunchyroll with only 480p quality (it's watchable but there are fans out there who only watch shows in HD) but it's free and they do have plans for ad-free HD subscription at some point this fall.

As for the state of this Fall season, so far the UK has been in luck with a bunch of titles.

Crunchyroll has every title accessible for the UK thus far - including Asterisk War and Owarimonogatari.

Daisuki, for the first time ever, has every title in their line-up accessible for the UK (usually it's a couple) - including Concrete Revolutio, Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans and One Punch Man.

Viewster is just started to roll out their announcements and they so far have Comet Lucifer, K: Return of Kings (we didn't even get the first season accessible over here aside from Animax UK) and Seraph of the End Season 2.

The only thing that is blocking the UK from getting certain titles is mainly from TBS, TMS, Toei, titles that are solely for French/German audiences because of Funimation, and someone like Animax making titles exclusive to them and not allowing CR to provide their version for us (i.e. Aniplex's Magi, Mekakucity Actors, Nisekoi & World Conquest Zvezda Plot).

Either way, the whole UK situation is much better than usual. Crunchyroll will still be struggling with a lot of titles thanks to Funimation though.


That's a helpful summary, thanks. It's still godawful moving between all these different services in the UK, it's hard to keep track.

Unfortunately the Daisuki app is the worst designed that I've ever experienced (and has no Chromecast support) Viewster is a bit better now (except Chomecast support vanished in the latest update). Not to mention the ads. And of course Funimation's streaming is legendarily bad even when you can get it (and their subtitles! oh, so tiny and pixelated). Even on Hulu they can only manage 720p. Only Crunchyroll performs consistently well, with solid 1080p streams and usable apps, uncluttered UI, proper subscription choices AND properly rendered subtitles. I'd always choose Crunchyroll over the others for these reasons alone.

Shame that Crunchyroll is being squeezed out by these other companies that offer relatively crappy experiences by comparison.


I agree, it does stink that we have to switch between so many different services. I certainly don't want to pay for 3 different services to watch most of the titles I want to see. It does prevent it from being a monopoly industry, but it sucks that the competitors' streaming services and UI stink to high-heaven. I've heard that Funimation is getting better, but have yet to try it. One thing I wish Funimation worked on was the literal translations...like when they say 'mahou shoujo' (which most people into anime are aware of), they say 'magical girl'. It's not a huge problem, but just something that irks me when they continuously repeat it (for example, try watching 'Kore wa Zombie desu ka?' under Funimation, and the literal translations get pretty hilarious and annoying at the same time). Just a personal pet peeve to me.
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Yeah, Daisuki seems to be picking up, which I assume is good. I'll use it more often.

As for DB Super, no comment, seriously. They're pushing a whole "DB Renaissance" thing, with Battle of Gods, Resurrection of F (which premiered in London just a couple days ago), and DB Xenoverse worldwide on Steam... streaming DB Super would have only strengthened the brand at this point. But noooo, let's hold onto that just for the Japanese public. Because who the fuck knows.


Same here. I don't use Daisuki much, but I'll probably start using it pretty soon. The good thing is that it's a global service with zero restrictions. The bad thing is that the quality isn't exactly on-par with CR just yet.

Yeah, the whole 'Dragonball' situation was handled terribly. I was 100% expecting Funimation to get it, and even they failed (opting to go with many lesser-anticipated shows). I was honestly beyond shocked. Why they would keep it exclusive doesn't make much sense in the marketing environment. My guess is they're waiting for physical distribution so they can keep the anticipation driven and drive the price up when it comes out. It's a very greedy move on their part.
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I'm looking forward to "Young Black Jack."
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And then, Crunchyroll descended from the heavens and said to me, "Oh, right, we forgot to tell you, we will be streaming the new Lupin III series. And, of course Discotek will be doing the home video release."

And then I woke up...
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More black jack! Yay!
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Since we're getting both Hacka Doll and Miss Monochrome 3, I really hope that means we'll be getting Kagewani as well, since they're all on the Super Ultra Anime Time block, and we got all of it this summer ( Wooser 3, Miss Monochrome 2 and Wakaba*Girl )

I just really like shorts for some reason XD

*edit* Also, thank you so much for Young Black Jack. If you manage to get Scandinavia rights for The Perfect Insider that would mean literally all my must-have shows this season are streaming.
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Any news on Shomin Sample?


funimation will be streaming it.
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