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Anime Studio Manglobe Enters Bankruptcy.
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In this particular case I would put anything meant to pander/appeal to a particular fetish, though I would say I doubt that in the 'T&A' sub-section of that Monster Musume will be in the red cause T&A.

I guess each generation does show disdain for the following one, but in this case if people want to posit fanservice heavy shows as the big/important thing then to me they really are bottom of the barrel. A generation where service does better than serious and non-service shows is a b.s. generation.


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Crimson's very good at being wrong.

It helps if you just dismiss everything he says, as all of his posts are fueled entirely by his biases and assumptions, not logic.


This is interesting because I've yet to see anywhere, where I've been wrong, opinionated but not wrong.

And yet I'm not alone in seeing it how I do so its not just my biases and my assumptions. Your statement is said by those that want to discredit others because they disagree with them without regard to being 'right or wrong'.
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In this particular case I would put anything meant to pander/appeal to a particular fetish, though I would say I doubt that in the 'T&A' sub-section of that Monster Musume will be in the red cause T&A.

I guess each generation does show disdain for the following one, but in this case if people want to posit fanservice heavy shows as the big/important thing then to me they really are bottom of the barrel. A generation where service does better than serious and non-service shows is a b.s. generation.


Ah alright, I just have a big blanket when it comes to fan service, as long as there is a big enough group to like it, I'll place it under fan service, ranging from character designs/clothing to character interactions.

Mkay, but just to put it into perspective, and I am sure you have considered it as well, this as more to do with the buyers Over there (Japan), than the outside sector. Not to say that the overall generation doesn't share similar interest across the globe, but bottom line, it has to do with what the buyers in Japan like that depends on the studio's success, so your target lies more with them.

Anyway as for Manglobe, I like and loved some of the things they have done. i.e. SC, M to H, THE UNLIMITED and so forth, but some of their recent material just aren't received well beacuse they just don't know how to conclude/construct their materials well, more recently Deadman Wonderland and Gangsta. Most of what I have seen from them recently starts of strong and ends a bit abruptly or wonky, although it does well to make a viewer want to go read the manga which is a big goal, but the anime itself just can't stand on its own, and that becomes a problem. That might be rubbing many buyers wrong as well, that is just my assumption...so there's that.
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From what I remember Cuties was kinda bad...

Anime only filler wasn't it? But now it makes sense I guess.
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Certain things for me come down to how they're shown for whether fan service or not; like yaoi and yuri. If they point of having them in the story boils down to "girl/guy on girl/guy is hot' then its fan service, however if there's actual focus on the building of the relationship aspects I'll see it as non-service. And while its something I sigh at, I don't have that much issue with fan service until I hear news like this; when it ruins/degrades a normally good/great series (looking at you Rosario Vampire anime; Shin Sekai Yori manga); when shows that deserve another season don't get one because they don't cater to people's fetishes; when a series is basically nothing but an excuse to have fan service or when its put in the foreground and the story is playing second fiddle to it; or if there's even a hint that fan service will be the future of anime industry.




I was actually mostly aiming towards the Japanese buyers/watchers, because I get that everyone else that watches anime is practically considered a secondary concern for the anime industry. Though there's plenty of non-Japanese viewers that will defend where the industry is going as well




I always assumed when it came to DW that they had intended to do a season 2, maybe after the manga had concluded or something, but never got around to it (not sure on sales numbers for it). Gangsta's ending definitely left some to be desired though the way they took out the service aspects of Gangsta I do respect, but I actually have to wonder with this news if it wasn't affected by the financial issues.
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ugh shame to have seen it confirmed earlier today that Manglobe really was done. A studio that tried to not go down the fanservice route (as much as possible anyway) goes bankrupt, while I imagine studios behind 80% fanservice series are doing great. -sigh- welcome to the new b.s. generation of anime watchers ("show me tits! show me tits!" mindset).


Yeaaaah...I don't think you have that right there, even taking a quick glance at a past article by ANN
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558, beacuse looking at the least successful tier studios I recall more "tits" anime from them than I do the more successful tier ones (if anything the upper tier does more "moe" (which ever way you want to define that, since anything can technically be moe, lets just use a generalized version)).

Although I do want to ask what is being defined as fan service, just sticking to the rudimentary "ass&tits" version I assume, not like forced yuri, BL, or anything outside the scope of physical descriptors, which just panders to w/e scope they are going for, and illicit some titillation from that viewer....b.s. generation of anime watchers uh, isn't that just what every generation prior calls the next (bad typo said previous pre-edit)



Well put Cay, well put. Also unfortunately statistics doesn't work with this guy:

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I'm not going to bother with the statistics and whatever cause frankly those bore me and I'd rather read opinions.

I've rest my case.

Also I really hope this thread doesn't turn into a fanservice war, we don't another one of those. The fact of the matter is, Manglobe had some unsuccessful shows and probably got in dept with some publishers. To point it just at, "Well, obviously it's best the titty shows are taking all the money", I believe is NOT the best way to go about this.

Manglobe has made a fair share of anime originals and that's where they would have to self-finance the project, whereas, if it was a manga, a publisher would finance them. So probably some of those anime originals (like Samurai Camploo and others) kind of screwed them. And it seems like they may have had too much on their plate with Gangsta and making the Iroh movie right after Samurai Flamenco was a financial failure.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:

Well put Cay, well put. Also unfortunately statistics doesn't work with this guy:


xCrimsonEX wrote:

I'm not going to bother with the statistics and whatever cause frankly those bore me and I'd rather read opinions.

I rest my case.


Yet amazingly I'm not refuting what they've (not going to assume a gender) said and am to some degree on a similar page, without stats via them offering their opinion on it.

And in that quote it was meant that instead of hearing some survey company tell me stats, I'd rather actually dive into the ethos and hear/talk to actual people to get their opinions (which from what I've seen there's a fair portion not exactly thrilled about the direction atm). Take a look at a political poll on a biased news network then come back to me about relying on 'stats', though I'm sure as long as they were in your position's favor you'd be fine with them.
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Yeaaaah...I don't think you have that right there, even taking a quick glance at a past article by ANN
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558, beacuse looking at the least successful tier studios I recall more "tits" anime from them than I do the more successful tier ones (if anything the upper tier does more "moe" (which ever way you want to define that, since anything can technically be moe, lets just use a generalized version)).

Although I do want to ask what is being defined as fan service, just sticking to the rudimentary "ass&tits" version I assume, not like forced yuri, BL, or anything outside the scope of physical descriptors, which just panders to w/e scope they are going for, and illicit some titillation from that viewer....b.s. generation of anime watchers uh, isn't that just what every generation prior calls the next (bad typo said previous pre-edit)


I think the most amazing part of that link is that the separation between the bottom of the Top 10 and Top of the Bottom 15 is 5%. If one of Arms 10 less-than-3000 series surpasses 3000 disc sales, it's in the Top 10. If two of Xebec's 22 less-than-3000 series surpass it, it's just outside the Top 10.

The fact that only seven companies hit 3000 disc sales more than they miss is stunning. Especially since only four of those seven have produced 20 series in those 11 years.
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lol uhh, noo, not going to be drawn into the Fate Group wars left over :p , Just making small talk for that quick correction since in general some have misconceptions on what studios are doing well, this includes me since I never knew MadHouse actually had low sales, although they are still financially stable.

@crimson, actually after seeing the news I am more surprised they actually stayed a float to finish the 12 run they were slated for with Gangsta, one one side I have pride for them they "finished" (used VERY loosely) what they started even with their issues and not dump the series 8 or so episodes in. On the other hand, it is a shame, they went out with a Finale that is being frowned on by many, so they left with a bad taste. Hopefully the talents there work on better projects later on.
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cay032692 wrote:

Yeaaaah...I don't think you have that right there, even taking a quick glance at a past article by ANN
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558, beacuse looking at the least successful tier studios I recall more "tits" anime from them than I do the more successful tier ones (if anything the upper tier does more "moe" (which ever way you want to define that, since anything can technically be moe, lets just use a generalized version)).

Although I do want to ask what is being defined as fan service, just sticking to the rudimentary "ass&tits" version I assume, not like forced yuri, BL, or anything outside the scope of physical descriptors, which just panders to w/e scope they are going for, and illicit some titillation from that viewer....b.s. generation of anime watchers uh, isn't that just what every generation prior calls the next (bad typo said previous pre-edit)


I think the most amazing part of that link is that the separation between the bottom of the Top 10 and Top of the Bottom 15 is 5%. If one of Arms 10 less-than-3000 series surpasses 3000 disc sales, it's in the Top 10. If two of Xebec's 22 less-than-3000 series surpass it, it's just outside the Top 10.

The fact that only seven companies hit 3000 disc sales more than they miss is stunning. Especially since only four of those seven have produced 20 series in those 11 years.


Ya it's pretty crazy to see that most studios can't even get to 50%. Then seeing how high KyoAni is just astounding.

Of course we aren't including merchandise sales, source material sales, etc., it's weird to think that most anime studios fail more than they succeed. Yet, they're still pumping out tons of anime each year!
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cay032692 wrote:

Just making small talk for that quick correction since in general some have misconceptions on what studios are doing well, this includes me since I never knew MadHouse actually had low sales, although they are still financially stable.


Also, that groups all series together, at once, it seems. Like, it does say if KyoAni has 18 series over 3000, but doesn't say how many of those series do better than that.

Same that MadHouse has 14 of 68 series over 3000 sales, but it doesn't say which of those 14 have done exceedingly well, like 10000 disc sales or whatever.

I do wonder what the "target" success rate is on series development. Or if that matters at all. I'm suddenly far more interested in the world of anime studios than I was a few minutes ago.
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I think the most amazing part of that link is that the separation between the bottom of the Top 10 and Top of the Bottom 15 is 5%. If one of Arms 10 less-than-3000 series surpasses 3000 disc sales, it's in the Top 10. If two of Xebec's 22 less-than-3000 series surpass it, it's just outside the Top 10.

The fact that only seven companies hit 3000 disc sales more than they miss is stunning. Especially since only four of those seven have produced 20 series in those 11 years.


Looking back at the list, they could have just had a bottom 10 and top 10 to show a stronger gap, or better yet those that have more of a hit rate than miss rate (better than 50%). Looking at MH, although it is in the bottom 15, it seems as if they just throw everything they can and when they get a hit, its pretty damn successful to make most if not all of their money back, but going by those statistics, its more about if a show they made hit or didn't, and not taking into account of the quality of the hits. While the Top 2, SHAFT, and KyoAni, I think they have more or less perfected what they know their audience wants, and they make that Type with a stronger assurance it will be a hit. I feel like checking their Networth at sometime, to see how they fair against each other in that regard.

EDIT: lol your second reply predict this reply xD
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lol uhh, noo, not going to be drawn into the Fate Group wars left over :p , Just making small talk for that quick correction since in general some have misconceptions on what studios are doing well, this includes me since I never knew MadHouse actually had low sales, although they are still financially stable.



Oh I know, but I gave you a warning, that's all I can do! Good luck.

And ya, it's pretty crazy that Madhouse was high on the list. Goes to show that success doesn't necessarily mean good disc sales for a studio, there's a lot of other factors.
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Same that MadHouse has 14 of 68 series over 3000 sales, but it doesn't say which of those 14 have done exceedingly well, like 10000 disc sales or whatever.



cay032692 wrote:
Looking at MH, although it is in the bottom 15, it seems as if they just throw everything they can and when they get a hit, its pretty damn successful to make most if not all of their money back, but going by those statistics, its more about if a show they made hit or didn't, and not taking into account of the quality of the hits.


I didn't think about that. These are good points.
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I loved Ergo Proxy. Sad to see the studio go, honestly.
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Closing studio that made my beloved The World God Only Knows makes me really sad :c


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From what I remember Cuties was kinda bad...

Anime only filler wasn't it? But now it makes sense I guess.


If I remember well they adapted things from manga which means it wasn't filler in that meaning (except last two episodes), but manga is actually full of filler stories itself so...
I remember I liked at least some episodes of Cuties - heh even watching Ayumu episode made my watch entire Hayate's series. But when I re-watched it later I found it just so-so especially comparing to second season
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