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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

@PrinceJudar,

I don't think we're on the same page here. We seem to have different ideas of what the U.N. is focusing on. Perhaps this can articulate my position better: http://info.ils.indiana.edu/~herring/violence.html





3. Online harassment

Online harassment is computer-mediated words, gestures, and/or actions that tend to annoy, alarm and abuse another person (cf. Black’s Law Dictionary, 1990).

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Example 9:

Two female friends chatting together on IRC were repeatedly sexually propositioned and verbally abused by two male chat channel administrators. When the women protested, the administrators kicked them off the channel. (Herring, 1999)

These two cases are clear examples of cyber violence

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Some Internet users maintain that harassment that takes place in chat rooms and discussion forums is not a problem that should be legislated, but rather is "only words", a manifestation of free expression. Users who do not like such behavior should "just press the delete key", or avoid the online environments in which it occurs. Such views are often advanced by people with libertarian politics, who feel that "unruly behavior" online is a small price to pay for individual freedom (Pfaffenberger, 1997). In contrast, the position taken in this paper is that online harassment constitutes abuse, and has harmful effects both on individual victims and on groups of users. As such, it should not simply be tolerated.

A number of common annoying online behaviors are not considered harassment (and hence not cyber violence) according to the definition given here, although in many cases the issues they raise are closely related. Hate speech targets groups but can also be defended as expression of views, rather than as simple abuse. Trolling indiscriminately targets naïve users, albeit usually not repeatedly so. Flaming tends to be issue-specific rather than a means of generalized harassment. Spam is not personally targeted; moreover, it is ostensibly not intended to offend or intimidate, but rather to persuade users to take certain actions, such as visiting recommended Web sites. However, any of these behaviors directed towards specific individuals and repeated, as an annoyance, after the recipient has made it clear that the behaviors are unwanted, would be considered online harassment.


Therefore annoyance = harassment = cyber violence



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Is there a reason you are ignoring everything else in there?
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Is there a reason you are ignoring everything else in there?


Haven't.


PrinceJudar I should clarify I'm not saying all the issues are stupid or trivial, but this report, this presentation, the offered solution, the goal they were legitimately aiming for. It's stupid.


There are issues, but you cannot forgo the extensive reach for control they are proposing on the internet. That's exactly how it happens. They're doing it to "protect"you.



Especially considering the people they cited and brought in for it. Fuckin' lol. That's exactly what it's about.
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UN= United Nonsense
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PrinceJudar wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Is there a reason you are ignoring everything else in there?


Haven't.


PrinceJudar I should clarify I'm not saying all the issues are stupid or trivial, but this report, this presentation, the offered solution, the goal they were legitimately aiming for. It's stupid.


There are issues, but you cannot forgo the extensive reach for control they are proposing on the internet. That's exactly how it happens. They're doing it to "protect"you.



Especially considering the people they cited and brought in for it. Fuckin' lol. That's exactly what it's about.


So if you're a cunt, and I tell ya you're a cunt, it's cyber violence?
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PrinceJudar wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Is there a reason you are ignoring everything else in there?


Haven't.


PrinceJudar I should clarify I'm not saying all the issues are stupid or trivial, but this report, this presentation, the offered solution, the goal they were legitimately aiming for. It's stupid.


There are issues, but you cannot forgo the extensive reach for control they are proposing on the internet. That's exactly how it happens. They're doing it to "protect"you.



It wouldn't require anything invasive, at least not here. We already have laws on the books for this sort of thing, they simply need to be enforced properly.
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reaperx- wrote:

So if you're a cunt, and I tell ya you're a cunt, it's cyber violence?


Under their terms, you'd have to message me a couple times like that and then it be online harassment and therefore cyber violence and thus equivalent to physically hitting me.




geauxtigers1989 wrote:

It wouldn't require anything invasive, at least not here. We already have laws on the books for this sort of thing, they simply need to be enforced properly.


Yes. Extortion, hacking, defamation etc etc. There are laws, censoring the internet just isn't a part of it.


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Have Anita Sarkeesian go to Saudi Arabia and talk about protecting women there. It is garbage like this as to why the UN is looked at as a global joke.
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Yeah, in a part of the world in which women get their clits cut off, I'm pretty sure fucking annoying spam isn't high on their list of major fucking concerns.

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Who still takes the UN seriously? They allowed like 3 genocides to happen (I think even more). They are fucking useless.
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ibrahim2712 wrote:

Who still takes the UN seriously? They allowed like 3 genocides to happen (I think even more). They are fucking useless.




UN is about the same way. Only a few countries take it serious, everybody else farts around with it. And yeah, the UN allows genocides to happen, you're young, so there might be only 3 in your lifetime, but more total. The UN is always "Why is the USA allowing this to happen?!?!" then next week "Why are you doing something USA, leave them alone!"

The US needs to leave the UN and NATO and stop all foreign aid and become how we used to be before Dec 7, 1941.
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    Well if Sarkeesian is involved it must be an issue of the utmost importance.




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reaperx- wrote:


So if you're a cunt, and I tell ya you're a cunt, it's cyber violence?



    I suppose by their logic, I've beaten a few people to death.




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Every time I hear the name Anita Sarkeesian. This is how I feel.
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VZ68 wrote:


ibrahim2712 wrote:

Who still takes the UN seriously? They allowed like 3 genocides to happen (I think even more). They are fucking useless.




UN is about the same way. Only a few countries take it serious, everybody else farts around with it. And yeah, the UN allows genocides to happen, you're young, so there might be only 3 in your lifetime, but more total. The UN is always "Why is the USA allowing this to happen?!?!" then next week "Why are you doing something USA, leave them alone!"

The US needs to leave the UN and NATO and stop all foreign aid and become how we used to be before Dec 7, 1941.


Funny enough one of those genocides was one in which some of my family got killed. The Kurdish genocide by Saddam. They didn't do anything and Saddam killed a whole bunch of Kurds. So yea I have some bias in this but w.e.

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