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Post Reply Japan on refuge crisis: "We must look after ourselves before we take refugees"
Posted 10/1/15

haikinka wrote:

Good on them. Japan's culture isn't very multicultural.


I like multicultural though.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I like multicultural though.


That's part of american culture.
Assuming you're american.
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Japan is smart.
I wish Australia was. We/the government here is not. We do not take cae of our own here. Its almost as if people care about others more than their own?
Like instead of fixing your problems and taking care of your own people , you help others and make the standard of living for your own slowly decrease.
Its ok for Japan to do this, they are not white so its not considered racist.
But as mentioned, they have nothing to do with it.
Here there are house shortages, water shortages, job shortages, etc yet we bring people over.
We are "smarter" than alot of European nations at least..
But of course Japan has a very big population, probably not much room there.
They do seem to like to remain racially pure also?
lol you wont see Japan(or China or Korea for that matter) being over run by Arabs and etc.

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I absolutely agree with his statement. I wish the US had a tighter ideal too; we need to care for Americans first, non-Americans second.
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haikinka wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I like multicultural though.


That's part of american culture.
Assuming you're american.

America takes it a little too far.

We need to disperse and assimilate refugees. What we do is concentrate them by ethnicity, allowing them to establish their own sub-cultures without integration. .

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Posted 10/1/15
I can understand where Japan is coming from it has it's own problems with it's skyrocketing homeless problem crumbling health care system and frequent Godzilla attacks
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Posted 10/1/15

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I absolutely agree with his statement. I wish the US had a tighter ideal too; we need to care for Americans first, non-Americans second.


Agreed. I also think we should take in as many refugees as Japan does. We give enough money to everyone in the world. Time for these countries to take care of their own instead of expecting everyone else to clean up their mess.
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I think the US should show as much compassion as possible, and take in as many as we can. We have space, wealth and a responsibility for our actions in the region and our place as a world leader. A great nation would find a way to take these people in and eventually prosper from it.

I can't blame Japan for their stance, but history will remember the nations that step up and show compassion in hard times.
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Japan hates all outsiders so of course they'd hate arabs
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we need magneto.
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I can't say that I agree with the stance but that is their choice. I personally know that even if things were tough I'd still share what little I have should someone in need flee my way. I remember seeing a documentary about some underweight refugees in eastern Africa. They were in a filmsy make shift tent in dirt, their food was half rotten and would only last a week with careful rationing, yet when more people who were fleeing came, they offered what they had to help. The new ones were in worse state than they were.

Sometimes you do have to make sure you're okay before you're able to help another. Other times you help even if it is tough for you.

My family helped a friend flee domestic violence. That meant my first help I ended up helping with without knowing it or being asked was to share my cot with the friend's baby boy. We were both babies. We were later reunited in another country when we were 9.

My grandmother ended up fostering a child when she had 4 children of her own living in a two bedroom home on a nurse's wage and a tailor's wage. My uncle had looked at the boy one of numerous children and brought him home to share with them. That meant 5 children sharing a bedroom. Sometimes mother told me she didn't have the books for her lessons at school and she got kicked out of class for that. Sometimes she put cardboard in her shoes to cover a hole. They got groceries on credit at the local shop that they had to pay up at the end of each month. The boy grew up there. My grandmother never set eyes on his mother until the boy had grown up and moved out. They bumped into each other one day in the street.
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Posted 10/1/15

Dariamus wrote:


haikinka wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I like multicultural though.


That's part of american culture.
Assuming you're american.

America takes it a little too far.

We need to disperse and assimilate refugees. What we do is concentrate them by ethnicity, allowing them to establish their own sub-cultures without integration. .



This is incorrect and misleading. The US doesn't "concentrate" anyone. Relocation within the US is extremely easy compared to most nations. People concentrate within an ethnicity because they want to. Few countries have the diversity the US has and living in a diverse culture is something most people find very alien. People concentrate because they WANT to be around something familiar (language, food, religion, etc.). Can you imagine the uproar that would happen if the US forced assimilation? "Yes you can come here but you HAVE to live where we say you can.. oh and that place won't be around sub-cultures of your culture... you have to assimilate." Other countries can do this, but it is completely against US ideology.



kinga750 wrote:

I think the US should show as much compassion as possible, and take in as many as we can. We have space, wealth and a responsibility for our actions in the region and our place as a world leader. A great nation would find a way to take these people in and eventually prosper from it.

I can't blame Japan for their stance, but history will remember the nations that step up and show compassion in hard times.


I believe immigration should be part of any country's growth plan when the natural birth rate is stable/declining AND overcrowding is not an issue. For the US we need immigration which is why we "allow" illegal immigrants from Mexico (if they weren't helping the economy in some matter would it really persist?) which can take on low skilled jobs.

That being said, it is no nation's obligation to take on the refugees from another. Rather, I agree with Abe in that the issue should be focused on helping Syria, not the refugees. Stop treating symptoms and attack the cause. This goes for refugees all over the world (Syria is only a small part of a much bigger epidemic).

To address the topic, I personally believe it is embarrassing how Japan treats other cultures. Rhetoric aside, Japan's decision to not take in refugees has nothing to do with focusing on their own people. It is entirely because they detest any culture that is not their own (or to a slight lesser extent, US culture).

If Japan does not open up (or start having a lot of babies) their xenophobia will be their downfall.
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Posted 10/1/15
Good on Japan. They have nothing to do with the mess that was caused by the US and its allies. The UK (where I come from), doesn't want to take any of these refugees in. Maybe a few thousand but our country is already overpopulated as it is. We have to look after our own first.
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Posted 10/1/15
then again if your country is, at least, partial responsible for the mess the refugees are in , you're also responsible for the well beings of the refugees
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They have a good point, but Syrian refugees need to go somewhere, or they will all die from lack of shelter and food.
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