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Posted 10/1/15 , edited 10/1/15
This is proper. I understand wanting to help, but people will take advantage of a lax system so the hand of the law needs to remain strong.

You can't just let everyone in. There needs to be standards for what qualifies as a needy enough person to be let in. Of course you should deal with problems at home before venturing out for others. Helping everyone is a heroic and elevated moral standard. One should not be forced to adopt this heightened standard. It needs to be a decision made with free will.
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Honestly, I am kind of sad that most people here have said things such as "good on them"... like these people are running for their lives and everyone just turns their backs? I would talk about how I feel on the topic but its late, and I don't want to get into it right now, but John Oliver does a good job at looking at the problem (with some good humor).

All I know is that if my life was in danger because of where I lived, I would hope that I would be welcomed somewhere else. Just telling these people to fend for themselves because you have your own problems is kind of heartless.
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Seeing as how Russia is propping up Assad, I think they should take them in.

But none of them want to go to Russia, lol.
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Charity doesn't seem to be Abe's forte, he'd much rather cease Japan's military status quo and release the hounds it would seem.
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Keigo13 wrote:


Dariamus wrote:


haikinka wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I like multicultural though.


That's part of american culture.
Assuming you're american.

America takes it a little too far.

We need to disperse and assimilate refugees. What we do is concentrate them by ethnicity, allowing them to establish their own sub-cultures without integration. .



This is incorrect and misleading. The US doesn't "concentrate" anyone. Relocation within the US is extremely easy compared to most nations. People concentrate within an ethnicity because they want to. Few countries have the diversity the US has and living in a diverse culture is something most people find very alien. People concentrate because they WANT to be around something familiar (language, food, religion, etc.). Can you imagine the uproar that would happen if the US forced assimilation? "Yes you can come here but you HAVE to live where we say you can.. oh and that place won't be around sub-cultures of your culture... you have to assimilate." Other countries can do this, but it is completely against US ideology.

babies) their xenophobia will be their downfall.

I take it you've never lived in a community where the US has done this?

I have. It's been 15 years and the sizable concentration of Somalians that were dumped on Lewiston, ME (a fairly small city) have still made no efforts to assimilate.. The are an isolated sub-community that refuses to deal with outsiders. Yes, it was a government program that located them there, not random choice.

Yes, I can imagine what would have happened if those families had been evenly distributed through the state. Their kids would have been far more likely to grow up thinking of themselves as Americans.

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Dariamus wrote:


Keigo13 wrote:


Dariamus wrote:


haikinka wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I like multicultural though.


That's part of american culture.
Assuming you're american.

America takes it a little too far.

We need to disperse and assimilate refugees. What we do is concentrate them by ethnicity, allowing them to establish their own sub-cultures without integration. .



This is incorrect and misleading. The US doesn't "concentrate" anyone. Relocation within the US is extremely easy compared to most nations. People concentrate within an ethnicity because they want to. Few countries have the diversity the US has and living in a diverse culture is something most people find very alien. People concentrate because they WANT to be around something familiar (language, food, religion, etc.). Can you imagine the uproar that would happen if the US forced assimilation? "Yes you can come here but you HAVE to live where we say you can.. oh and that place won't be around sub-cultures of your culture... you have to assimilate." Other countries can do this, but it is completely against US ideology.

babies) their xenophobia will be their downfall.

I take it you've never lived in a community where the US has done this?

I have. It's been 15 years and the sizable concentration of Somalians that were dumped on Lewiston, ME (a fairly small city) have still made no efforts to assimilate.. The are an isolated sub-community that refuses to deal with outsiders. Yes, it was a government program that located them there, not random choice.

Yes, I can imagine what would have happened if those families had been evenly distributed through the state. Their kids would have been far more likely to grow up thinking of themselves as Americans.



Yep, I agree with you there. North of me in Wisconsin, back in the 60s when the US went into Cambodia and Laos, the sort-of same thing happened like what happened in Syria, but instead, Hmongs were relocated to the states. Hmongs are a Chinese minority in Indochina (Called Miao in Chinese i think); they are native to China but they left for the tropical south. The war displaced them, and from what I hear, my friend who currently lives in WI says they cause a lot of crime, like stealing pet cats and dogs, carjacking, burglary... They are not all bad people, they actually have a rather interesting culture, just like Levantine people... it's just when you move an ethnicity into unknown land and culture, that sort of thing can happen...
Posted 10/2/15
I don't think about it. There's no country (that is developed) that is lax about immigration... I don't understand why some people put Japan under a microscope because they won't accept anyone.

It's not like USA or UK or Australia accept a high rate of immigration... out of a million refugees... the US probably accept 2000 a year? It's more than Japan for sure, but that's not a high number either when you look at the percentage.
Posted 10/2/15
I agree with japan wish the US would do same thing. Immigrants dont even attempt to assimilate anymore and i am honestly tired of it. All these fools saying take responsibility probably arent even paying taxes yet. Kind of starting to hate this generation, and am worried what kind of pussy ass country we will live in when you take charge.
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They have a good point, but Syrian refugees need to go somewhere, or they will all die from lack of shelter and food.
"No refugees or dogs allowed."
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Posted 10/2/15
I agree with the op, i feel bad for the refugees and all but its not exactly Japan's problem in the first place.
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I don't think about it. There's no country (that is developed) that is lax about immigration... I don't understand why some people put Japan under a microscope because they won't accept anyone.

It's not like USA or UK or Australia accept a high rate of immigration... out of a million refugees... the US probably accept 2000 a year? It's more than Japan for sure, but that's not a high number either when you look at the percentage.


I guess you haven't been to Australia then?
We are extremely multicultural. When it comes to Australia, people often forget that we have a small population so when you consider that, we take quite alot of refugees and immagraton.
And then theres the fact that half of our country is barren desert and scrublands and swamps.
We are not being over run like parts of Euroupe but there is a saying "spot the Aussie" for a reason.
We are pretty much AustralAsia.
It started with the Italians and the Greeks, Then the Vietnamese and the Chinese and other Asians, now there are ALOT of Africans which there never used to be any, so many Indians, lots of people from the middle east. etc
I work with so many Asians and Europenas and some Africans and etc.
Soccer getting big here becasue there's so many Europenas. Even though our own football is so much better! :P
Shits so crazy here that they want to change Australia day to "citizens day" or they dont want shops to put up Christmas decorations because it might offend Muslims.
Meanwhile in Japan they have Japanese only bars and clubs and restaurants and brothels and etc "sorry Japanese only" or "sorry no foreigners"

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people need help, help them.
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ayesharocks wrote:

They have a good point, but Syrian refugees need to go somewhere, or they will all die from lack of shelter and food.
"No refugees or dogs allowed."


*No women or pets allowed*



Real sign I saw in quite a few shop windows in Jeddah.
If anyplace should be taking more refugees, it is the other Arab nations. They accept zero refugees.
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I kind of agree with him. I feel that if your country is stable enough to help them, by all means. However, if your country isn't stable, adding such an influx of people into the population might not be a good idea in the long run.
Posted 10/2/15 , edited 10/2/15

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GayAsianBoy wrote:

I don't think about it. There's no country (that is developed) that is lax about immigration... I don't understand why some people put Japan under a microscope because they won't accept anyone.

It's not like USA or UK or Australia accept a high rate of immigration... out of a million refugees... the US probably accept 2000 a year? It's more than Japan for sure, but that's not a high number either when you look at the percentage.


I guess you haven't been to Australia then?
We are extremely multicultural. When it comes to Australia, people often forget that we have a small population so when you consider that, we take quite alot of refugees and immagraton.
And then theres the fact that half of our country is barren desert and scrublands and swamps.
We are not being over run like parts of Euroupe but there is a saying "spot the Aussie" for a reason.
We are pretty much AustralAsia.
It started with the Italians and the Greeks, Then the Vietnamese and the Chinese and other Asians, now there are ALOT of Africans which there never used to be any, so many Indians, lots of people from the middle east. etc
I work with so many Asians and Europenas and some Africans and etc.
Soccer getting big here becasue there's so many Europenas. Even though our own football is so much better! :P
Shits so crazy here that they want to change Australia day to "citizens day" or they dont want shops to put up Christmas decorations because it might offend Muslims.
Meanwhile in Japan they have Japanese only bars and clubs and restaurants and brothels and etc "sorry Japanese only" or "sorry no foreigners"



Um... I live in Australia lol.

The only city that is truly multicultural is Sydney, and that's because of international students, businesspeople, migrants that came here through other means... not because Aus accepts lots of refugees

The price of housing here skyrocketed not because of refugees... it's because of Chinese investors...
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