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Posted 10/1/15

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Eh, her body, if that's what makes her happy she should be allowed to do it.
Hopefully she doesn't regret it.


Umm, no. Self harming yourself of any kind should not be allowed.


Wrong. Your body, your decision. What should not be allowed is the idea that others can tell you what to do with YOUR body.


Yeah, your right. Your perfectly sane if you wish to become blind.


Whether they're sane or not is irrelevant. Nobody has the right to tell a person they cannot harm themselves. If they want to blind themselves, they have every right to do so.

*facepalm* You obviously don't understand mental illness.


You're right, nor do I care to, but it doesn't make my point any less valid.
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Posted 10/1/15 , edited 10/1/15

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saksiss wrote:

Whether they're sane or not is irrelevant. Nobody has the right to tell a person they cannot harm themselves. If they want to blind themselves, they have every right to do so.


Ethically that is extremely questionable, but it is unquestionable that such methods should not be encouraged as a line of "treatment". Whether or not you think that it should be legal does not change the idea that it should be heavily discouraged and be pushed against by every mental health professional on the planet. Such measures are clearly not healthy and they are clearly not rational so acting like they are treatment is ridiculous.

PS: I'm not accusing you of this, just using your post as a jumping off point


I understand, and I'm not saying it SHOULD be encouraged, but rather that nobody can simply say "You can NOT harm yourself, you have no right to". That was the Tl;dr way of summing up my point although it probably came off the wrong way.
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Posted 10/2/15
This thread is just dominated by so many people who aren't going to lose a wink of sleep on the matter.
Anyway, its over and done with.
And, I agree with letting her make her own decision.
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Posted 10/2/15 , edited 10/2/15
Sure, we can all say let her do whatever the hell she wants with her body, and I don't know how your disability care works over in the states, but if that happened in the UK, and she then recieved disability benefits, then I wouldn't hesitate to say "fuck her", mental condition or not.

If she's paying for all the care and resources she needs, herself, rather than relying on the governement and your money, then fine. I still think it's crazy. I still think she's crazy. And I still think the doctor is crazy. But sure. Whatever. Far be it from me to tell someone they're not allowed to blind themselves, out of some morbid fascination with the blind.
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Look, I understand the "Its my body, I do what I want," But I don't want to put forward tax money on a woman who intentionally blinded herself. For this reason, I don't think self harm should be allowed. I don't want to spend tax money for disability to help people make do with their circumstances and have it diluted by some crazy woman who blinded herself, or cut her arm off. I want it to go to people in need.


So, My final conclusion on this thought is do what you want as long as it doesn't affect your ability to be self reliant on the level of normal healthy people with all 5 senses, AND DOESN'T IMPACT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
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i also think about it and then i finally understood that do what ever you want don't think about the people our world so much because people have many faces and mouths so they talk so much just do what you want.
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For some people, the world can get pretty ugly, really quick and after a while, you just get tired of seeing stupid stuff.

Not everyone sees life as something to be "appreciated", some folks just wanna get out of here as fast as possible and anything this day and age that even remotely comes across as an "escape" will be one.

Be it drugs, sex, liquor, death, tv, junk food, irrational hatred, internet, religion, more sex, fighting, sleep, immense financial consumption or blinding yourself.

An escape is an escape and some folks are just looking for one to indulge in.
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so what?
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Posted 10/2/15 , edited 10/2/15
Body Integrity Identity Disorder also known on the internet as "transabled"

This is a serious issue as it is not limited to people wanting to blind themselves, there are people out there who are removing their limbs because of this. This woman should have been sent to a doctor not given drainage cleaner.



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Posting as someone who suffered severe depression for years and frequently thought about suicide, and then got REAL treatment instead of being encouraged to think that wanting to kill myself was okay, I just want to say one thing. Should I ever relapse I hope to God someone like PrinceJudar finds me before one of the enablers.

I'm amazed that anyone can support something like this. You're literally supporting a woman blinding herself, causing permanent damage to her body, out of some misguided idealism because her disordered thinking tells her this is a good idea. Is there no standard anymore as to what a healthy mind is supposed to be? Are we really going to accept that everything is fine so long as the person with the disorder was okay with it?

How meaningful is the consent and choice of a person with a mental disorder regarding the focus of the disorder? It's an important question, particularly as we move into an era where parents are taking their children in for sex reassignment surgery at pre-teen ages. How long does someone have to think "my body is wrong and I have to change it" before that thinking is truly valid? Should it be measured in years or hours? Is it the person who wants this or is it the disorder? What about the phenomena of parents trying to deafen their children because they want their children to be deaf like them? Is the fact of deaf societies, where being deaf is treated as a good thing, reason enough to embrace parents either harming their children to deafen them or attempting to produce through modern reproductive manipulation a baby that is born deaf to begin with?

Indeed, can we even consider blinding or deafening someone to be harming them? If there are people who embrace these things then are they really harmful to someone who does not embrace them? Should we not consider the person who rejects being blind or deaf as a bigot? These aren't idle questions asked in jest: these are serious questions arising from the implications of normalizing disordered thinking to the point that we embrace self-mutilation and suicide as an acceptable act.

Decisions can be made at one point in a person's life and deeply regretted later. Irreversible decisions are easy to make but difficult to undo. When a disorder is directing a person's thoughts in a particular direction, is that really a choice the person is making?

What this woman had done was a travesty of mental health treatment in my opinion. Also, legally, she may now drain resources intended to help people who aren't happy being blind.
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I really wanted genital warts so i got a doctor to hook us up. Its awesome.
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Ah, the SS Syndrome is strong in this one.
I'll keep this short and sweet for you, lest I say something that will cause you to "relapse".




I'm not responding to any replies you make if you keep your SS trousers on.
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Dumbest thing I've ever heard of....hey I know, I'm going to self identify as a sock! *smacks head repeatedly against desk*. This self-identify crap has to stop.
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Posted 10/2/15 , edited 10/2/15

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Dumbest thing I've ever heard of....hey I know, I'm going to self identify as a sock! *smacks head repeatedly against desk*. This self-identify crap has to stop.


Yeah. You know, there are clearly people who would see this comment as disrespectful, but it really is true.

I worry for the future of this world filled with over-acceptance and over-tolerance. I haven't said this in a while on these forums, but I really don't understand society, and I've given up on trying. Maybe if I go live in the countryside, with bad Internet, where I won't have to read about people condoning mentally handicapped people blinding themselves, since they identified as blind.
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SnugglesGodOfDeath wrote:

Posting as someone who suffered severe depression for years and frequently thought about suicide, and then got REAL treatment instead of being encouraged to think that wanting to kill myself was okay, I just want to say one thing. Should I ever relapse I hope to God someone like PrinceJudar finds me before one of the enablers.


Flattered. You actually wouldn't be the first I dealt with. Someone I know has contacted me twice before attempting to commit suicide. Once before we were friends and the other after we were. I would hope to never see any of these fuckwits talk to people actually having trouble with their medications or mental illness. As opposed to telling him he had a fucking right to off himself, I spoke to him about how he was feeling and attempted to convince him he was wrong to go through with it. When I noticed his thinking was much too chaotic and frankly absolutely impaired I made sure he removed himself from the situation (his bedroom in the second instance) and walked it off outside. I told him not to come back until he felt better. At first he actually complained about the cold weather (lol) and I told him I didn't give a fuck. He actually returned in about 30 minutes. He was much easier to talk with and he admitted walking helped calm him down and his chaotic thinking. After another hour or two of conversation I got him to dispose of his suicide letter and back off on his medication (he was increasing his dosages and it was fucking him up).

I've been ill in the head myself for a number of years because of a physical condition I had that was messing with my brain. I know walking can relax 'chaotic thinking' because it's something that helped me.

This "you have a right to do with your body" bullshit is the most unhelpful garbage one could ever spew. It is not something you ever say to those who clearly have their sanity impaired, because when they have regained their sanity (if they ever do thanks to these idiots) they are going to regret it and its fuckwits like this that have allowed them to go through with it as opposed to honestly helping them. For some reason that's too much effort for them.

Selfish. When people give a fuck about others they will do something about it because that's the right thing to do. Of course doing the right thing is harder and takes a little more fucking effort.

A good friend will prevent you from doing something stupid. A fuckwit would hand you a knife to do it.

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