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Posted 10/4/15 , edited 10/4/15

Hrafna wrote:

You mean to tell me that Americans are still rationalizing that it's ok to murder people?


A bus driver stopping a gunman from murdering more people is now murdering?

Sorry we're not in the 24.5th entury with you, Duck Dodgers san.
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http://www.wbtv.com/story/30154330/catawba-man-says-he-shot-intruder-out-of-fear-for-his-life

Guns save lives


Jordan Lyons has stitches and staples in his head, a bandaged arm, and a memory of a few moments overnight when he thought the end had come.

Around one o'clock Wednesday morning he heard a knock at the back door. He was concerned because it was so late at night, so he grabbed a pistol and put it in his back pocket. As he opened the door to see who it was, he says two heavy set white males pushed their way in.

He says a beer bottle was broken on his head and a cinder block was used to hit him as well. As he was pushed back against a wall, Lyons says he pulled out his handgun and fired a shot at one of the intruders who, at the time, had an arm across his chest, "I hit him in the upper arm or torso area."

Lyons says he then fired a second shot directed at the other intruder but missed. A shattered window remains in a truck outside where the bullet wound up.

The two intruders fled and Lyons went to call for help.


To all you anti-gunners: If he was disarmed how would he have protected himself against this violent attack?
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http://www.wbtv.com/story/30154330/catawba-man-says-he-shot-intruder-out-of-fear-for-his-life

Guns save lives


Jordan Lyons has stitches and staples in his head, a bandaged arm, and a memory of a few moments overnight when he thought the end had come.

Around one o'clock Wednesday morning he heard a knock at the back door. He was concerned because it was so late at night, so he grabbed a pistol and put it in his back pocket. As he opened the door to see who it was, he says two heavy set white males pushed their way in.

He says a beer bottle was broken on his head and a cinder block was used to hit him as well. As he was pushed back against a wall, Lyons says he pulled out his handgun and fired a shot at one of the intruders who, at the time, had an arm across his chest, "I hit him in the upper arm or torso area."

Lyons says he then fired a second shot directed at the other intruder but missed. A shattered window remains in a truck outside where the bullet wound up.

The two intruders fled and Lyons went to call for help.


To all you anti-gunners: If he was disarmed how would he have protected himself against this violent attack?


Obviously he should have died, right? For having a filthy gun.

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I think the biggest reason stories like this are rare is because it doesn't get enough attention to attract news reporters. It doesn't become news until AFTER blood has already been spilled. Just think of how many similar stories never get reported because the people close to the incident fail to realize the tragedy that was just avoided.


well also, there been cases where stories of murder with a knife didn't hit the main media because all they want to do is talk about the incidents with guns. That then allows others to manipulate people into wanting to ban everything gun
Posted 10/4/15
Yes, it's funny how the act of murdering someone is the act of murdering someone. It's kind of like how the act of typing on ones keyboard is the act of typing on ones keyboard. It's strange, almost surreal how that works. I can't quite wrap my head around its complexity.
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Hrafna wrote:

Yes, it's funny how the act of murdering someone is the act of murdering someone. It's kind of like how the act of typing on ones keyboard is the act of typing on ones keyboard. It's strange, almost surreal how that works. I can't quite wrap my head around its complexity.


What are you even talking about?
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Well that's good he defended himself......on the other hand i could never live in a country where everyone is allowed to own a concealed gun.

i would worry 24/7 about some stranger shooting me for no reason i would become a paranoid wreck.


Do you live in fear 24/7 about someone being able to stab you, now?


It's easier to get a subgun down under than in the states, he should be scared shitless the crime rate has gone through the roof down there.



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Hrafna wrote:

Yes, it's funny how the act of murdering someone is the act of murdering someone. It's kind of like how the act of typing on ones keyboard is the act of typing on ones keyboard. It's strange, almost surreal how that works. I can't quite wrap my head around its complexity.


What are you even talking about?


He doesn't know, he lives in a country with like 4 million people and a 96% same-race/religion population, the also have, get this shit, a royal family and are SUBJECTS. LOL.



If you want a nice carry piece, though heavy, the CZ 2075 RAMI is nice. Another fun carry piece is the Glock 42, sure it's .380 and only 6 rounds, but there is damn near zero recoil and fits your hands pretty well from small to large. So if you have small hands, weaker hands or recoil shy, it's a good gun.

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You pretty much summed up my argument.

Something else I noticed is that occurrences like this are rare. Many people with a licensed carry are too scared to shoot back and run away. In other words they have a gun, but run away instead of saving others. Some people on the other hand jump up to save people and accidently shoot an innocent instead!

I also agree that guns make it so much easier to kill than with a knife. It can take 20-30 stabs to kill a person... and they can still live through that! It rarely takes more than 2 bullets. One if they are going execution style. Sneaking a sword into school can be hard enough as well. I once had my fencing rapier (not epee) and I got pulled over by the cops! I had to show them that it was a dulled and rounded blade. You really cant conceal most swords that easily. Pistols are incredibly easy to conceal.

As for the training required to cut a person, I can agree with. When I cut with my katana, I generally use tatami mats. One mat is about and arm, 2 mats is a neck and 3 is a body. It took me months of training to cut a 3 thick tatami mat. That is on an immobile target! I cant imagine a body flailing and fighting back. You would possibly have to go through an arm, neck and some of the collar bone/ribs in one swing. Most untrained people cant do that.

I could easily go and buy a pistol and shoot up a school or movie theater though. It would be so easy to get a gun, mags and ammo. If you space out the purchases and what not as well. That or use cash. I can promise you it would be easier to off someone with a handgun rather than my swords, daggers or knife.

It is also much easier to fight someone armed with a knife rather than that of a gun. If a person tries to kill me with a knife, I will beat him. I took a lot of martial arts and am very confident in my CQC abilities. If he had a gun. Welp, GG for me. I got killed without a chance to defend myself. *in before then get a gun yourself*.
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I know a cabby that took the guy's blade who pulled it on him and turned him into a pez dispenser. Not much planning went into that.
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Hrafna wrote:

Yes, it's funny how the act of murdering someone is the act of murdering someone. It's kind of like how the act of typing on ones keyboard is the act of typing on ones keyboard. It's strange, almost surreal how that works. I can't quite wrap my head around its complexity.


Go learn English vocabulary. Killing =/= murder.

Murder: Intentionally killing someone in a situation that you instigated just for the sake of killing them.

If you killed someone by accident, it becomes manslaughter.

Shooting someone who is a threat (which may or may not result in their death) to defend yourself or someone else is NOT murder. If someone violently broke into your house, put your family in danger, and the only weapon close to you was a gun, would you shoot or allow the assailant to do whatever they want with your life and your family's lives on the line?
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Guns have both good and bad purposes, as evidenced by this, depending on the type of person handling them. The problem is, anyone who has the resources can get a gun, there's no test to stop a novice or someone who could potentially be a mass murdering maniac from obtaining one, and doing so would be a violation of amendment rights. Guns are both amazing and risky things, I think some people are a bit iffy who own them, and others perfectly rational, my mom's bf owns a shitton of hunting rifles but he uses them for good and keeps them locked away when he's not using them, so no one can get ahold of them... me... I know myself to be hopeless with guns, I dont have the money nor the mental stability to be handling one, at least I understand that...
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VZ68 wrote:

I know a cabby that took the guy's blade who pulled it on him and turned him into a pez dispenser. Not much planning went into that.


Someone tried pulling a rifle on my Grandpa once and my Grandpa then ripped it out of his hands, slammed the stock against concrete shattering it, then proceeded to beat the guy with his own rifle till he ran away. You don't fuck with a marine.

Also note he had a pistol with him he didn't even feel the need to use.



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Guns have both good and bad purposes, as evidenced by this, depending on the type of person handling them. The problem is, anyone who has the resources can get a gun, there's no test to stop a novice or someone who could potentially be a mass murdering maniac from obtaining one, and doing so would be a violation of amendment rights. Guns are both amazing and risky things, I think some people are a bit iffy who own them, and others perfectly rational, my mom's bf owns a shitton of hunting rifles but he uses them for good and keeps them locked away when he's not using them, so no one can get ahold of them... me... I know myself to be hopeless with guns, I dont have the money nor the mental stability to be handling one, at least I understand that...


Anyone can use it and that IS the benefit of it. A 65 yr old granny can fight off a gang thanks to its relative ease of use. Without guns she would be helpless, here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKvrbKgqkA8

Even kids can protect themselves with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wsQNCjoafY

15-year-old Boy Protects Sister, Shooting Home Invaders with Assault Rifle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wsQNCjoafY
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You pretty much summed up my argument.

Something else I noticed is that occurrences like this are rare. Many people with a licensed carry are too scared to shoot back and run away. In other words they have a gun, but run away instead of saving others. Some people on the other hand jump up to save people and accidently shoot an innocent instead!

I also agree that guns make it so much easier to kill than with a knife. It can take 20-30 stabs to kill a person... and they can still live through that! It rarely takes more than 2 bullets. One if they are going execution style. Sneaking a sword into school can be hard enough as well. I once had my fencing rapier (not epee) and I got pulled over by the cops! I had to show them that it was a dulled and rounded blade. You really cant conceal most swords that easily. Pistols are incredibly easy to conceal.

As for the training required to cut a person, I can agree with. When I cut with my katana, I generally use tatami mats. One mat is about and arm, 2 mats is a neck and 3 is a body. It took me months of training to cut a 3 thick tatami mat. That is on an immobile target! I cant imagine a body flailing and fighting back. You would possibly have to go through an arm, neck and some of the collar bone/ribs in one swing. Most untrained people cant do that.

I could easily go and buy a pistol and shoot up a school or movie theater though. It would be so easy to get a gun, mags and ammo. If you space out the purchases and what not as well. That or use cash. I can promise you it would be easier to off someone with a handgun rather than my swords, daggers or knife.

It is also much easier to fight someone armed with a knife rather than that of a gun. If a person tries to kill me with a knife, I will beat him. I took a lot of martial arts and am very confident in my CQC abilities. If he had a gun. Welp, GG for me. I got killed without a chance to defend myself. *in before then get a gun yourself*.


Yeah, people don't die immediately when stabbed or cut. Someone with a mean disposition could use that time to get at you. I suppose you don't need to bisect a person to kill him quickly, but the point is that bladed weapons look easier to use than they actually are. I can barely cut two tatami. Then, again, most of my swords are monotempered spring steel and I probably need to sharpen those. They bind up in a target if I try to muscle through a cut or I connect at the wrong angle. I should probably hone down that battlefield edge so that they cut better. At the moment, their degree of sharpening is one that would be like what was used by samurai on the battlefield with armor in mind. It preserves the edge's durability at the cost of some keenness.

Even though I trained in martial arts for 8 years, that has only made it more clear to me how quickly physical confrontations can end. A person with a gun and a few inches beyond your reach can kill you very quickly. Unlike knives and bludgeons, a gun is harder to escape from by fleeing. You fight and you die. Or you run and get shot in the back.
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