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VZ68 wrote:



Something really doesn't make sense with your post.


In what way?




I just can't quite put my finger on it.


I'm not American. I came here from Scotland 12 years ago. I thought it would be cool to have a few guns.



Nope.

By the way your mum could do with a shave. She's not my type though. Neither is your dad so son't post pics of him either please.

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Hotstonez wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


Hotstonez wrote:


VZ68 wrote:



Something really doesn't make sense with your post.


In what way?




I just can't quite put my finger on it.


I'm not American. I came here from Scotland 12 years ago. I thought it would be cool to have a few guns.



Nope.

By the way your mum could do with a shave. She's not my type though. Neither is your dad so son't post pics of him either please.

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Guns are fun when your doing a range shooting competition but beyond that they are a tool and not a toy. They arent suppose to be fun they are suppose to be functional and hopefully never need to be used. We love being gun toting maniacs online but realistically we don't do much with them. Crime is really rare and most of us carry guns to protect ourselves not to get into gunfights.

If you want fun buy a paintball gun that's for fun.
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Rujikin wrote:

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Guns are fun when your doing a range shooting competition but beyond that they are a tool and not a toy. They arent suppose to be fun they are suppose to be functional and hopefully never need to be used. We love being gun toting maniacs online but realistically we don't do much with them. Crime is really rare and most of us carry guns to protect ourselves not to get into gunfights.

If you want fun buy a paintball gun that's for fun.


I'm still trying to figure out how he stuck a 12 round mag into a 19 round gun.

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I'll start by apologizing...to everyone for a long post and for being born American (not really) :)


Hrafna wrote:
You mean to tell me that Americans are still rationalizing that it's ok to murder people? That a nation created in the 18th century is stuck in the 18th century? Yeah, we can tell that it was only lower class citizens who migrated from Europe to America, and that they created their own "upper class", because that "upper class" kindergarten government couldn't possibly entertain us more.

...Go have riots in the streets. Give guns to babies. None of that sophisticated boring shit we got going on here in Northern Europe with all this live-let-live, equality, peace and harmony...


Blah blah blah...your country is better than mine. Now what? Usually the only people rationalizing murder is the person about to perform/get away with it. By the way, we'd still kick your ass (as a country) and everyone migrated from Africa (at this point in science...and the dominant religion practiced in your country).


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If you're under the impression that the term "murder" is of English origin, you're deluding yourself. Danish: myrde, Icelandic: myrða, Norwegian: myrde, Swedish: mörda, Old Norse: morð, Proto-Germanic: murþrą. We've used it on a regular basis for over two thousand years, and we still use it today, just as indiscriminately as when the term was established.

So, maybe, it is not I who should learn your language, but you who should learn mine. Or, at the very least, maybe you should learn how to not be impatient and prejudiced...

In that hypothetical scenario, whether I had a gun or not, I would kill the person, or attempt to, and I have no problem saying that, but more importantly won't I go around claiming that I did the right or the wrong thing, and I most certainly don't care if you or anyone else think I did the right or the wrong thing.


Really? I mean, REALLY? Moving on...


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And that's the difference between you and I: you'd hate it if you suddenly found out that you were the villain of the movie, which is why you want everyone in the world to acknowledge that you did the right thing, so that you can keep on living conscious free in your fantasy world, like Zimmerman.


First off, Zimmerman actually would probably fit right over there in my opinion, along with most of the people from FoxNEWS. As for being the bad guy, you'd hate it too. There are only a handful of people that MIGHT want to be bad guy in a room. Everyone generally wants to be the good guy. What you continue to say about mob mentality applies here, so...


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It's a very weak type of mentality; a mob mentality , where ones moral compass relies on something much bigger than oneself ... happens when society encourages it.


If our country was so bad, we would ALL want to do bad things. This idea of something much bigger is what we should all be striving for. We're a HUMAN RACE, made up of different ethnic people, stuck on the SAME degrading planet.


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Intentions are irrelevant. Everyone's intentions are "good" in their own head, even when their intentions are inconvenient to everyone around them. ... But this type of mindset where you rationalize everything that is convenient to you, can go wrong in so many ways, and the only thing I can do is make jokes about it and laugh, because I came to realize a long time ago that people with this archaic type of mindset in this day and age will never change, never progress from it, because they live in an extremely conservative environment that doesn't allow learning from ones mistakes. Like I said, I'm not pro or anti anything, really; my intentions are obscured, at best, even to me. I'm just here to laugh at how your condition and environment will never change to something more civilized. It's really the only thing I can do.


Okay, intentions are not irrelevant or we would not have a need for a justice system...in any country. It would just be a corrections system handing down punishments regardless of the reason the laws broken or the crimes committed. You're right that it can go wrong in so many ways. I don't know how my country doesn't, "allow learning from ones mistakes". I will also agree it's pretty conservative here and our government doesn't want change in some areas. I would say it's the rich people using their influence to stay wealthy, similar to some people thinking they're more civilized than others. Don't forget we're a younger country than yours so don't mind us (sarcasm). I believe we're moving forward (maybe in a very painful way), but forward. Finally...


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He doesn't know, he lives in a country with like 4 million people and a 96% same-race/religion population, the also have, get this shit, a royal family and are SUBJECTS. LOL.


Lol, I will agree that the difference in our histories and current ethnic composure makes almost all of his comments irrelevant to us anyway.
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No Way. There is no way this guy is understanding what everyone else is talking about. He must be somewhat intelligent if he knows 10+ languages....but there is no way he is on the same page as everyone else. I can't fully digest this post. Its just impossible for me. This level of missing the point reaches levels that only someone like Drax the Destroyer (Marvel Cinematic Universe) could touch. He just derailed so hard in some sort of deranged off topic rant that only it makes sense if you remove every post around it.

"[...]my post was written with capital punishment in mind, not necessarily this very topic specifically." If your post was not meant for this topic specifically, then do us all a favor and don't post it.

"If you're under the impression that the term "murder" is of English origin, you're deluding yourself." Please don't derail. Nobody ever implied that the word murder is of English origin. It was merely stated that the USA's definition of Murder does differ from their definition of "Killing."

"But, yeah, my English vocabulary really needs improvement. I mean, out of fourteen or something languages that I know in total, English was the sixth, and I had to learn it on my own. It's almost as if an American could be better than me at it. And by American I mean immigrant. " The amount of languages you know has no relevance to the topic at hand.

""It's ok when I do it, because I'm a good person. It's ok when I do it, because I'm right." ["...It's ok, because I feel bad."] I don't know where you get your information, but most countries including the United States would sentence a person if they shot someone and claimed the above as the sole reason they shot them.

I'm not trying to be mean, but lets please have a on topic discussion.


Anyways, my thoughts on the topic is that the media as a whole doesn't focus on the cases where guns defended or protected someone is because they can't milk it like they can a horror story. While a mass shooting in France might get them 2-4 hours worth of time, a story where someone defended their family might only get them 1-2 hours; Likely because in most mass shooting cases and murder cases involving guns, the perpetrator winds up dead and everyone wants to theorize what happened and why it happened. In a lot of self defense cases though, the what happened and why happened can be pretty easily obtained---Causing a loss in "Story stretch time."

That is just my personal opinion though.
Posted 10/6/15

Rujikin wrote:


Hotstonez wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


Hotstonez wrote:


VZ68 wrote:



Something really doesn't make sense with your post.


In what way?




I just can't quite put my finger on it.


I'm not American. I came here from Scotland 12 years ago. I thought it would be cool to have a few guns.



Nope.

By the way your mum could do with a shave. She's not my type though. Neither is your dad so son't post pics of him either please.

p

Guns are fun when your doing a range shooting competition but beyond that they are a tool and not a toy. They arent suppose to be fun they are suppose to be functional and hopefully never need to be used. We love being gun toting maniacs online but realistically we don't do much with them. Crime is really rare and most of us carry guns to protect ourselves not to get into gunfights.

If you want fun buy a paintball gun that's for fun.


Psh, too much strenuous activity. Shooter games are where its at.
Posted 10/6/15

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No Way. There is no way this guy is understanding what everyone else is talking about. He must be somewhat intelligent if he knows 10+ languages....but there is no way he is on the same page as everyone else. I can't fully digest this post. Its just impossible for me. This level of missing the point reaches levels that only someone like Drax the Destroyer (Marvel Cinematic Universe) could touch. He just derailed so hard in some sort of deranged off topic rant that only it makes sense if you remove every post around it.

"[...]my post was written with capital punishment in mind, not necessarily this very topic specifically." If your post was not meant for this topic specifically, then do us all a favor and don't post it.

"If you're under the impression that the term "murder" is of English origin, you're deluding yourself." Please don't derail. Nobody ever implied that the word murder is of English origin. It was merely stated that the USA's definition of Murder does differ from their definition of "Killing."

"But, yeah, my English vocabulary really needs improvement. I mean, out of fourteen or something languages that I know in total, English was the sixth, and I had to learn it on my own. It's almost as if an American could be better than me at it. And by American I mean immigrant. " The amount of languages you know has no relevance to the topic at hand.

""It's ok when I do it, because I'm a good person. It's ok when I do it, because I'm right." ["...It's ok, because I feel bad."] I don't know where you get your information, but most countries including the United States would sentence a person if they shot someone and claimed the above as the sole reason they shot them.

I'm not trying to be mean, but lets please have a on topic discussion.


Anyways, my thoughts on the topic is that the media as a whole doesn't focus on the cases where guns defended or protected someone is because they can't milk it like they can a horror story. While a mass shooting in France might get them 2-4 hours worth of time, a story where someone defended their family might only get them 1-2 hours; Likely because in most mass shooting cases and murder cases involving guns, the perpetrator winds up dead and everyone wants to theorize what happened and why it happened. In a lot of self defense cases though, the what happened and why happened can be pretty easily obtained---Causing a loss in "Story stretch time."

That is just my personal opinion though.

It's funny how you went off topic to tell me to be on topic when my response was to one who was being off topic yet you never mentioned how he was being off topic.

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Hrafna wrote:

It's funny how you went off topic to tell me to be on topic when my response was to one who was being off topic yet you never mentioned how he was being off topic.



Actually, your response was to me, not to someone who was being off topic. You're the one who derailed the conversation by claiming everyone here was saying something that nobody was really saying, and then you brought up the origins of a word from foreign languages, which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion of guns saving lives.

Now please stop trolling. You've already derailed nearly the entire page with your nonsense. And before you accuse me of going off topic, I'm only responding to this post because it's directed at me and you've made a false accusations about me.
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Why is the Irishman so sad, he has his potato.

That's the only thing that is confusing.
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VZ68 wrote:

Why is the Irishman so sad, he has his potato.

That's the only thing that is confusing.


The English stole the rest of his potatoes to make bangers and mash.
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VZ68 wrote:

Why is the Irishman so sad, he has his potato.

That's the only thing that is confusing.


The English stole the rest of his potatoes to make bangers and mash.


That is a crime.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

I think the biggest reason stories like this are rare is because it doesn't get enough attention to attract news reporters. It doesn't become news until AFTER blood has already been spilled. Just think of how many similar stories never get reported because the people close to the incident fail to realize the tragedy that was just avoided.


Similar thing is, you rarely see videos of cops helping people, simply because people are only interested when one of them fucks up.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

I think the biggest reason stories like this are rare is because it doesn't get enough attention to attract news reporters. It doesn't become news until AFTER blood has already been spilled. Just think of how many similar stories never get reported because the people close to the incident fail to realize the tragedy that was just avoided.


Similar thing is, you rarely see videos of cops helping people, simply because people are only interested when one of them fucks up. :P


It's not that similar. It's common to see police doing their jobs, whether it's police that you've seen yourself or simply cops stopping an attack on the news or something. That's ordinary. Cops draw attention to themselves when they do stuff out of the ordinary. It's uncommon to see someone scaring off a threat with their gun since it usually happens in private places and is never spoken of again, and also because such a situation doesn't happen as often as seeing an ordinary officer going on patrol. It's rare for someone to attempt a mass shooting. That makes it even rarer for someone to try to stop a mass shooting. If you live in a big city, you'll see regular cops on duty every day.

When a cop messes up (i.e. using excessive force that results in death), it draws attention to a critical issue. Same with mass shooters, but the public reaction (mainly from the left) is severely different. When a cop draws national attention for killing an innocent civilian, the main response is usually to put that cop on trial (which almost never happens) and to increase body cameras so we can get a clearer picture of what happened. When some random person with a gun goes out and kills 3+ people, the immediate reaction is "guns are evil! Ban all guns!"

The difference is that nobody is calling to take cops away from the public... except anarchists... In one situation, we have people calling for police reform. In the other situation, we have people calling to strip law-abiding citizens of their guns, which does nothing at all to solve the problem they're mad at.
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"Will not be publicized?" That's the freakin' Washington Post.

This really isn't as complex as gun advocates want it to be. On average, when you have more so-easy-a-caveman-could-use-it killing machines available, more people are going to be killed by them. It's inevitable. Occasionally something like this happens, and everyone suddenly forgets that the heroic gunman could have used a taser or something... and, more to the point, the whole incident probably never would have happened in the first place if it had been even slightly difficult for an obviously dangerous person to get their hands on a gun. And, like the article says, most gun deaths don't happen in mass shootings (it's mostly accidents and suicides).

America just loves guns too much to consider that guns might be, y'know, dangerous. Even right after yet another school shooting, we're still trying to come up with excuses for having so many guns lying around.


As far as I know, knives still end more lives than guns do. But no one is outlawing knives...
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As far as I know, knives still end more lives than guns do. But no one is outlawing knives...


First, I'd like to say that I'm against gun bans and such--I'm not some Gun Control nut, hah. But that statement is incorrect.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

Guns are responsible for far more deaths than other weapons in the United States.

Furthermore, knives (typically) have utilitarian uses. Granted, there are types of knives that obviously have no use whatsoever outside of hurting/killing.

COmparing knives and guns is like comparing apples and--well, not even oranges. More like potatoes.
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