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Intro: So this is my first post here in these forums and I thought I would talk about something that has been on my mind for about a year now when it comes to anime. Now this is solely based on my opinion and i have really no factual evidence to back this up, which is why I am here. In hopes of just getting others opinions on the matter and maybe get some actual facts on the topic. A "TL:DR" will be at the bottom of the post if you do not care to read all of this

The Issue : I will admit that I am someone who has not read a lot of manga before and maybe that makes me not qualified enough to talk about this but I still want to hear what you guys have to say. Since I primarily only watch anime it really hurts me when in the anime the plot is getting really good and all of a sudden an unnecessary filler arc comes along for the sake of creating distance from the manga. I also hate when the ending of anime's are rushed. An epic fight that I expected to be the pinnacle of the anime so far, ends up just being a mindless punch fest(yes i am talking about you "Toriko vs Starjun"). Again because the anime has caught up to the manga, so instead of releasing filler episodes they just try to rush it to wrap it up and maybe will come back to it later. Stuff like this often ruins the show for me as the ending is just , if not more important, than the beginning and the middle imo.

The Point: So you may be saying to yourself, I already know all of this what is your point? My point is simply this: why? Why exactly is manga given the special treatment over anime? I personally do not understand it. The only logical reason that I came up with, is that manga is most likely a lot cheaper and a lot quicker to make than anime(correct me if im wrong), compared to how much they earn back, you know the profit. So if it is all about the money than I guess there really is no point in continuing this post as we all know money runs the world. But for the sake of having a little fun I have a simple question to ask to ease my conscious a little...

The Question(Also the TL:DR): Lets say in a perfect world both anime and manga were on par. The plot, the characters, the arcs, the gore, or lack thereof, the endings, and most importantly the time of release are all the same. The only difference is the obvious, anime is animated and manga is a read. Which one would you honestly choose to enjoy your favorite series of all time. That is the basis of this post and the whole reason of me making it. I just cannot see manga winning this one but once again maybe I just have not read enough manga. Thank You and have a nice day
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"perfect world both anime and manga were on par."

kiniro mosaic is not only on par, but arguably better than the manga.
the scenes are organized in a way that makes sense (instead of jumping around like in the manga), the voices make the series all the more enjoyable, and the animation was just perfect..! (not to mention the really good opening and ending themes)
there's probably a few other series that's better than the manga.

having said that, assuming they were even, then probably anime because of the voices/soundtrack which you can't get in the manga
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namealreadytaken wrote:

"perfect world both anime and manga were on par."

kiniro mosaic is not only on par, but arguably better than the manga.
the scenes are organized in a way that makes sense (instead of jumping around like in the manga), the voices make the series all the more enjoyable, and the animation was just perfect..! (not to mention the really good opening and ending themes)
there's probably a few other series that's better than the manga.

having said that, assuming they were even, then probably anime because of the voices/soundtrack which you can't get in the manga


Ahh so manga can also suffer from the same issues. Once again something I was not aware of due to my lack manga readings
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Most of the time, the manga begins it's publication run well before an anime comes out--and the anime is specifically made in response to the popularity of the manga. In that sense, the manga is source material.

The right comparison is the Harry Potter books. JK Rowling is an author; her goal was to write good books, not to write books that would translate well onto the screen. Directors and screen writers then, took her vision and applied that (with minimal input from her) into a different format, making changes along the way. But, at the end of the day, Rowling's job wasn't to write good screenplays; her job was to write good books. It was someone else's job to turn those books into good screenplays.

The same is true of most manga. Whether it's Death Note or My Love Story, the manga's artist sat down to write a good manga. At some point later, the artist gets informed that someone wants to turn that manga into an anime. Often that happens before the manga has been completed--but again, the manga artist (the one with the actual original vision) is very rarely involved in the anime production.

If you ask why the manga are often better, it's usually because they are longer, and can therefore go into more detail. Most manga are serialized either weekly or monthly, and good ones will continue for years. A modest length, modestly successful manga serialization might have 50 chapters; a very successful one might have hundreds of chapters. Meanwhile, a single 30-min anime episode--which involves a much higher investment, and many more people to make--might only cover 1 to 2 manga chapters. Anime tend to be bought in 12 or 24 episode chunks, which means that even a longer anime might only cover a fraction of a manga's material.

To make up for that, the anime directors try to pick and choose from the manga. They will surely leave some characters and plot-lines out entirely. They have to decide which side-stories and which running gags to include, and which to cut. And sometimes when they cut things, they have to invent a different way of getting across the same narrative point, or the same sense of humor, or the same character development.

As to your specific point about filler: Most manga have filler episodes as well. But usually they serve one of two purposes:

1) Special issues. Let's say that a manga appears in a monthly magazine. In order to try to attract a new audience, the editor might ask the manga artist to make a special issue--basically a filler piece--that will appear in a different magazine published by the same company. It's a way of cross-promoting. Sometimes those side-stories are very funny and well done, and so the anime producers will want to include them in the anime; but because they don't fit in the original plot line, the anime director might have to include a random filler episode to get that story in, which can feel very out-of-place.

2) "Calm before the storm" issues. It's not uncommon to break-up very long, very intense plot-arcs with some filler side-stories that are inserted between the plot-arcs. It's a way of breaking the tension, demonstrating what "normalcy" is in that particular universe, and also allows the manga artist to draw something a little different every once in awhile. But if it's 2 filler chapters set between major plot arcs that each cover 30 chapters, that feels a lot less substantial than an anime that has a filler episode between every 4 episode plot arc.
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The Question(Also the TL:DR): Lets say in a perfect world both anime and manga were on par. The plot, the characters, the arcs, the gore, or lack thereof, the endings, and most importantly the time of release are all the same. The only difference is the obvious, anime is animated and manga is a read. Which one would you honestly choose to enjoy your favorite series of all time.


Going on the concept of both mediums conveying the exact same thing story-wise, I'd probably lean more to anime; though this also would depend on other factors like if there's a show on tv I want to watch as well then manga would have an edge/busy day with multiple interruptions again manga gains an edge. But negating those factors I would go with anime since it can give a clearer image of what's going on (via coloring, voicing, and moving images), plus anime usually has some good music to add to the feel of the story.

This is going on the idea that both have the same plot and characters.
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mnmike wrote:

Most of the time, the manga begins it's publication run well before an anime comes out--and the anime is specifically made in response to the popularity of the manga. In that sense, the manga is source material.

The right comparison is the Harry Potter books. JK Rowling is an author; her goal was to write good books, not to write books that would translate well onto the screen. Directors and screen writers then, took her vision and applied that (with minimal input from her) into a different format, making changes along the way. But, at the end of the day, Rowling's job wasn't to write good screenplays; her job was to write good books. It was someone else's job to turn those books into good screenplays.

The same is true of most manga. Whether it's Death Note or My Love Story, the manga's artist sat down to write a good manga. At some point later, the artist gets informed that someone wants to turn that manga into an anime. Often that happens before the manga has been completed--but again, the manga artist (the one with the actual original vision) is very rarely involved in the anime production.

If you ask why the manga are often better, it's usually because they are longer, and can therefore go into more detail. Most manga are serialized either weekly or monthly, and good ones will continue for years. A modest length, modestly successful manga serialization might have 50 chapters; a very successful one might have hundreds of chapters. Meanwhile, a single 30-min anime episode--which involves a much higher investment, and many more people to make--might only cover 1 to 2 manga chapters. Anime tend to be bought in 12 or 24 episode chunks, which means that even a longer anime might only cover a fraction of a manga's material.

To make up for that, the anime directors try to pick and choose from the manga. They will surely leave some characters and plot-lines out entirely. They have to decide which side-stories and which running gags to include, and which to cut. And sometimes when they cut things, they have to invent a different way of getting across the same narrative point, or the same sense of humor, or the same character development.

As to your specific point about filler: Most manga have filler episodes as well. But usually they serve one of two purposes:

1) Special issues. Let's say that a manga appears in a monthly magazine. In order to try to attract a new audience, the editor might ask the manga artist to make a special issue--basically a filler piece--that will appear in a different magazine published by the same company. It's a way of cross-promoting. Sometimes those side-stories are very funny and well done, and so the anime producers will want to include them in the anime; but because they don't fit in the original plot line, the anime director might have to include a random filler episode to get that story in, which can feel very out-of-place.

2) "Calm before the storm" issues. It's not uncommon to break-up very long, very intense plot-arcs with some filler side-stories that are inserted between the plot-arcs. It's a way of breaking the tension, demonstrating what "normalcy" is in that particular universe, and also allows the manga artist to draw something a little different every once in awhile. But if it's 2 filler chapters set between major plot arcs that each cover 30 chapters, that feels a lot less substantial than an anime that has a filler episode between every 4 episode plot arc.


Jeez man thank you for taking the time out of your day to respond with this. Definitely cleared up some dark spots in my knowledge about the manga and anime interaction. I can definitely see the appeal of manga now. Although I do think I will still stick with watching anime, I think now I will be a little more understanding of plot differences between the two platforms

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All things equal? Anime, easy.

Manga, however, is easier and faster to stomach on the go than anime, currently.
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They are just two different ways to tell a story, some adapt into anime better than others... I feel like some anime are more of supporting the main works rather than trying to tell the story extremely well. Others try to adapt into anime so their works will be a major hit. Anime takes a lot of money to make too.

Just think about it like anything else, like how batman has comics, cartoons, movies, games ect. all different adaptations of it so to speak. None are really better than the others. Just different ways of telling a story, or having fun. There are for sure trends in each type of adaptations but I don't think any types are better than another. I mean an extremely good manga and an extremely good anime are both.... extremely good right?

Anime does cost more money so more things in it like voice animation music ect, but its a double edged sword cause it means more things can go wrong.

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I find it even more interesting when an anime is released with no manga or LN its kinda taking a risk but cool when its good like for example Steins Gate. Or some anime are only based on a game different formula all together say like Persona 4 The Golden Animation
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