Post Reply Coincidence or fate?
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Posted 10/5/15
I'd like to hear ya'll opinions on this one,
Coincidence or fate?
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Fate = predetermination = no free will.

With very few exceptions, nothing is predetermined.

Posted 10/5/15
Everything is a coincidence.
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Posted 10/5/15
They're not mutually exclusive; rather, it's a matter of perspective. I do think that everything is predetermined by physical laws, but those laws are unimaginably convoluted (that's why science isn't "done" yet - nor will it be for a long, long time, if ever). What we think of as "ourselves" is also an extremely complex mechanism filled with firing synapses and bacteria. Because it's so complex, the machine is able to affect itself in a multitude of different ways as its component interact with each other, and because we consider the entire machine, not just one component, to be "ourselves", the result is what we call "free will": essentially, we're free agents because we can influence ourselves, due to our perception that our "selves" are a single unified thing, rather than an intricate clockwork of interacting parts.

I'd argue that, barring the existence of a truly non-physical "soul", everything is predetermined, and a coincidence is just an event that has few precedents. Say I flipped a coin three times and recorded the results, then asked someone if it came up "heads" all three times. Statistically speaking, it's far more likely that the correct answer is "no", but that statistic doesn't change the fact that the result is whatever it turned out to be. The same principle applies if the order of events is reversed, unless either party acts - as a result of knowing about the game - to influence the result. The ~50/50 chance of the coin landing on either side means nothing if you have the means to accurately control the forces working on the coin to net the result you want. Every coin flip is a result of those forces, not random chance.
Posted 10/5/15
Fate implies supernatural; 1. it's predetermined and 2. you can't change it. I don't believe in supernatural ideas because all of them are from people's imaginations instead of objectively observing the universe around them.

Even if the laws of physics predetermined everything, we can still change our future, weather forecast is one example... it's not always right, but when it's right, you can stay dry when going out. One might say this is our fate, it's to bring umbrellas... but I believe that's just semantics.

Therefore there's no such thing as the supernatural version of fate.

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Posted 10/6/15
this comes to mind
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Posted 10/6/15
I believe what is pre-determined is coincidence. I don't believe in free will. I feel anyone with a decent enough grasp of how the human mind works would realize that free will is bollocks unless you factor in unproven spiritual stuff. Sure things on a quantum level might be able to change that, but we don't have the understanding to know that on any reasonable level.
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Posted 10/6/15 , edited 10/6/15
Yeah... most things are just coincidence. You usually have control over what you do and how you do it. Let's use the example of finding the love of your life. Randomly bumping into a girl and then starting to talk (and then ultimately getting married) isn't fate because there were 100's of factors that could have changed the outcome. Just one person slowing down could stop this situation from even happening. It was a coincidence.
Posted 10/6/15
I don't think there's a real definite answer since it depends on the context. I think that whatever one we think we can rationalize the most or we prefer at the end of the day is the one that we'll pick though. I personally think that it's not so simple as it's just "this one" when in some cases it might be but in others it might not, so both, neither and one or the other all can apply it just depends.
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Posted 10/6/15 , edited 10/6/15
i always figured it as Fate=outcome of a path

coincidences= turning points in a path

example you are married to your wife= fate.

meeting your wife at a bar vs online date= coincidence. or even you have a baby= coincidence that may turn into another fate

i believe that there is a path that everyone is meant to make, but i also believe that because of so many colliding paths we will try to shift from it.

its sorta like the journey vs the destination sorta thing.

i simply prefer to think optimistically else wise i'd go insane if i am not already at that point.
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Posted 10/6/15
The whole universe is just chemical reactions hitting off each other. Our fate is sealed and coincidence is part of it.
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it's a coincidence that it's fate.
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