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mmm bangers and mash and warm beer
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Voc666IV wrote:

I wonder...


I think if something like that image happened...

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Posted 10/7/15 , edited 10/7/15
My country would probably still be a little backwater playground for rich idiots with no day job.

Also the whole piracy thing would have flared up again because there'd be even more reason to try to oust the French, Spanish, and Dutch.
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BlueOni wrote:

Why, we'd all be speaking English right now if it weren't for...shit.

Anyway, the British Empire made a habit of violently opening markets for itself and viciously protecting its economic interests against local peoples and their governments, so I'm pretty sure that any communist movement that emerged in or around Britain's part of town would have pretty ruthless and influential opposition to face.

As for liberalism, republicanism, and democratic governance not having any importance and fading away without the American Revolution, I really don't think so. Bankers and nobles had already noticed that they stood to gain by limiting monarchs' access to credit, Britain had a long history of parliamentarism and had even once become a republic for a short while, the French peasantry was still being dragged through the mud by uncaring monarchs and aristocrats, it's not as if the US winning its independence was some magical event that unilaterally changed the entire game in completely unprecedented ways. People had plenty of reasons to demand reforms or outright regime changes, and US independence or no squalor and starvation are still pretty motivating.

Edit: A bit too simple an examination of Catherine the Great's rule, and perhaps to assume that the Russian Empire would follow the course it actually did is a little bit of a stretch (maybe, speculative history's like that). Redacted Russia.


I do agree. France would have most likely still rebelled against Louis XVI and it wouldn't have stopped European (and even American) thinkers from talking about Enlightenment works. Chances are, a republic would have been revived at some point in history.

That being said, I do think it would have taken longer for a successful republic to have formed as the Constitution (even if imperfect) was still written after several years of failure underneath the Articles of Confederation, and those years of experimentation in a nation abundant enough in resources (unlike Europe) did make a difference as many Constitutions following were modeled after the U.S.'s.

Those years demonstrated the need for a limited, but still strong enough central government and the U.S. still remains an experimental country today after over 200 years of experimentation; even if the U.S. makes bad decisions and fail a lot, they do succeed at times and those successes shaped history. Furthermore, the republics that would have formed in that alternate history would have been very much different as the U.S. formed the way it did since it was uniting 13 very different colony states rather than reforming an already established nation.
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No fourth of July fireworks and I guess no national Anthem at beginning of sporting events or pledge of allegiance to the flag at school?
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We'd all be speaking German, since we wouldn't have made it out of WWII. Probably not even WWI, come to think of it, though American victories were not as influential in that one.

Then again, those Nazis were snappy dressers.
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I would think Britain would be a super power until Hitler came to power and if Britain continued to colonize land than Germany would only need to incite riots and with their blitzkrieg tactics everyone would be speaking German . Of course those of us that are "worthy" enough to live through the war. Other case scenario with Stalin in power we may speaking Russian. Either way Britain would have been on the decline and eventually they would have fallen.
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Ignore this, I was thinking if it got crushed really early.

Probably Britain would still only be interested with America, Spain would probably reinforce Mexico, and the Scottish population would condense in Canada, while the French be killed because Britain would have had no use for them since using America attacking Canada would no longer be a problem and the French were a way the British spread Canada to the west. The Scots being one of the few parties to not kill the first nations, yes John A McDonald was a problem but Frontenac was worse, and John A McDonald would not have gotten into power, with no American threat.
Looking farther into this North America would fulfill its intended purpose and be used as a passageway to China and India, than later to wage war against China. Sadly the First Nations people would still be brutally murdered, however the Inuit would be less effected as Canada would no longer want to expand into their more southern land. Eventually with the colonial efforts failing Spain and France would attack Britain in a joint operation while Britain attacks China, Britain would probably collapse, the Germans would than attack the British Kingdom while the French and Spanish recover. Haiti would be completely under Spanish control, Russia would attack China after the British wear it down. The Germans would defend their Britain. While Britain would reinforce North America, Japan would attack China while its preventing its territory from being taken by Russia. Britain now starts to reinforce Alaska but doesn't fend of Haiti which as of now is mainly resources for Spain, Spain goes down into South America.
Korea is doing good.
India suffers trade issues after Britian starts attacking China.
Turkey is ok.
And I can't think of anything more than that.
Just guesses, really anything could happen.
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I still believe that a successful insurrection was inevitable... whether it be peaceful like Canada and Australia, or with force. Britain heavily underestimated the Continental Army, thinking they were just angry folk, untrained in warfare. The Brits criticized the Americans for not "fighting fair"... also, the British didn't really employ marksmen as well as the Americans. for one, American marksmen had Kentucky Rifles, most British arms were smoothbore, with the exception of one-off experimental weapons, so you have piss-poor accuracy guaranteed. But IF the British did the impossible, just like that other highly discussed topic of "What If Rome Survived?", they would have to fight for a white peace primarily, but if it was a crushing defeat, they would probably economically weaken France and Spain by forcing them to pay royalties, or even annex their colonies in the Caribbean, or at the very least, force them to transfer their trade power to the English Crown.
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