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US: Boy, 11, shoots and kills girl, 8, with father's shotgun
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Lock up your guns if you have kids, people. Lock them up tight. Gun safes are invented and manufactured for a reason.
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Rujikin wrote:http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs153/1108867463292/img/31.jpg


Just a little disingenuous to only include firearm homicides in that figure when you include all deaths caused by motor vehicles. For those wondering, there are about 30-35k firearm deaths per year, which puts them at pretty much the exact same place as motor vehicle deaths.
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it was more than just an argument. I heard more details about the story. the boy has been harassing the girl ever since she and her family moved into the neighborhood. he even bullied her at school.. they want to make it sound like the boy was mad about not being allowed to play with the girl's puppy. actually he held pure hatred for the girl (hate at first sight), and he wanted to shoot her dead. now he's happy the girl is dead, but he isn't happy about having to go to jail. they should give him the electric chair.

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sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs153/1108867463292/img/31.jpg


Just a little disingenuous to only include firearm homicides in that figure when you include all deaths caused by motor vehicles. For those wondering, there are about 30-35k firearm deaths per year, which puts them at pretty much the exact same place as motor vehicle deaths.


11,078 firearm homicides, people killing other people. Suicides of all types, including firearm suicides, are under the category suicides.
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Rujikin wrote:
11,078 firearm homicides, people killing other people. Suicides of all types, including firearm suicides, are under the category suicides.


Yes, and breaking down the gun death number more than any other category on the chart falsely implies that gun deaths are less common than they actually are.
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sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
11,078 firearm homicides, people killing other people. Suicides of all types, including firearm suicides, are under the category suicides.


Yes, and breaking down the gun death number more than any other category on the chart falsely implies that gun deaths are less common than they actually are.


Because if someone wants to kill themselves and can't find a gun, they're obviously not going to do it, right?

Suicides have a reason for being separate in the data, and it's pretty easy to see the rationalization.

FOr rational people, that is.
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What is it with young people becoming such brats. " I would like to use more colorful language but I won't"
The kid knew right from wrong it should be basic morals and common sense you do not kill unless it's self defense.
I place all the blame on the kid.
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sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
11,078 firearm homicides, people killing other people. Suicides of all types, including firearm suicides, are under the category suicides.


Yes, and breaking down the gun death number more than any other category on the chart falsely implies that gun deaths are less common than they actually are.


No it is listing gun homicides so that people can see and visualize how many homicides are committed with guns in comparison to other methods of death. If I broke down car deaths into various car types & drunk driving it wouldn't add any kind of benefit to this discussion.
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sarteck wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
11,078 firearm homicides, people killing other people. Suicides of all types, including firearm suicides, are under the category suicides.


Yes, and breaking down the gun death number more than any other category on the chart falsely implies that gun deaths are less common than they actually are.


Because if someone wants to kill themselves and can't find a gun, they're obviously not going to do it, right?

Suicides have a reason for being separate in the data, and it's pretty easy to see the rationalization.

FOr rational people, that is.


First of all, thats pretty much irrelevant to the overall point that they are still considered firearm deaths. It doesn't matter if the poisoning was a suicide or an accident. It is still included in the poisoning section.

Second of all, there is a much higher success rate for suicide with a gun than with most other methods. Research shows that those who attempt suicide rarely attempt it a second time, and there is research correlating the presence of a gun with increase successful suicides.


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Damn it sundin13, go be an asshole in the gun threads, not fucking here. I mean really, is this the best place for it? A young girl was killed by a 11 year old over a god damned puppy and you have to act like this in this thread?

Sorry for the derail.


You attack me when ryukujin is posting pro-gun propaganda in this thread...
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Drives me nuts to hear that a child had access to his father's guns. My dad had guns growing up and they were locked away where I had no access to them. I was also taught gun safety, how dangerous they were and to never touch them without his consent and presence.

Poor parenting leading to loss of life
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You have a point. Posting misleading statistics doesn't add to the discussion. People lash out when presented with logic.
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So is he going to get the death sentence?


Nah. He's too young to know for sure whether what he'd do was truly going to hurt the girl. He probably plays videogames like all of us did back at that age, and probably just logically concluded (IN HIS 11-YO MIND) that taking his dad's gun and shooting her from his home is the best response, "since they do it all the time in videogames XD".

He'll probably go to juvie at the minimum.

Of course when he gets older, the gravity of what he actually did will haunt him for the rest of his days. And good luck to him on finding a gf/wife, because would you really date someone who killed someone else over a simple argument like that? It's not about whether he knew what he was doing, it's the fact that his self-control and reactions are so extreme that they resulted in such horror. Imagine if he and his gf has a fight? ______________
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It seems like we are raising thugs rather than kids..... So selfish that if you don't get your way you kill someone?

Teach your kids to be better than that, teach them about gun safety and lock your guns up.
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Yes and this logic justifies not having regulations in place on dangerous tools how about some basic things like background checks and licenses and requiring them to be secure if there are children in the house.
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