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Unless you mean a stripper loving alien exterminator I don't really know what a Duke is. Is it supposed to be an important person? Isn't it like knighthood; if you were a knight, it wouldn't really make your kids anything other than the bastard children of some knight? I don't think their kids matter.
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Hrafna wrote:

Unless you mean a stripper loving alien exterminator I don't really know what a Duke is. Is it supposed to be an important person? Isn't it like knighthood; if you were a knight, it wouldn't really make your kids anything other than the bastard children of some knight? I don't think their kids matter.


What?
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Pretty sure they are called Dukees
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Pretty sure they are called Dukees


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There is none, depending on the country one (or more) children could inherit the same title, but any child that didn't would simply be a noble. With their title then being "lord" or "lady" out of courtesy. This works for most levels of titles regarding nobility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom. The basics for a real world system.

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Benzecry wrote:

There is none, depending on the country one (or more) children could inherit the same title, but any child that didn't would simply be a noble. With their title then being "lord" or "lady" out of courtesy. This works for most levels of titles regarding nobility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom


Some countries they are princes and princesses.
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Some of the suggestions above pointed to the titles used in the United Kingdom, but we have never had either Arch Dukes or Grand Dukes here. You may want to look at this article instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_duke#Styles_and_forms_of_address.
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MidoriNoTora wrote:

Some of the suggestions above pointed to the titles used in the United Kingdom, but we have never had either Arch Dukes or Grand Dukes here. You may want to look at this article instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_duke#Styles_and_forms_of_address.


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Seems that Lord and Lady are the safest bet probably for their children.

http://www.debretts.com/forms-address/titles/duke-and-duchess/sons-duke
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Balzack wrote:

Seems that Lord and Lady are the safest bet probably for their children.

http://www.debretts.com/forms-address/titles/duke-and-duchess/sons-duke


Unfortunately not. That page is talking about the forms of address used for Dukes in the United Kingdom, not the Grand Dukes of continental Europe.

Dukes in the United Kingdom are one step below princes (though princes in the British Royal family are often given the secondary title of Duke).
The Grand Dukes of Europe were normally ranked higher than princes but below an emperor or king.

As noted in the Grand Duke article I linked above, the children of a Grand Duke could be styled "Royal Highness", "His/Her Grand Ducal Highness", "His/Her Highness", "Imperial Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Highness" depending on the country and dynasty involved. Lord and Lady would never be used for the child of a Grand Duke.
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MidoriNoTora wrote:


Balzack wrote:

Seems that Lord and Lady are the safest bet probably for their children.

http://www.debretts.com/forms-address/titles/duke-and-duchess/sons-duke


Unfortunately not. That page is talking about the forms of address used for Dukes in the United Kingdom, not the Grand Dukes of continental Europe.

Dukes in the United Kingdom are one step below princes (though princes in the British Royal family are often given the secondary title of Duke).
The Grand Dukes of Europe were normally ranked higher than princes but below an emperor or king.

As noted in the Grand Duke article I linked above, the children of a Grand Duke could be styled "Royal Highness", "His/Her Grand Ducal Highness", "His/Her Highness", "Imperial Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Highness" depending on the country and dynasty involved. Lord and Lady would never be used for the child of a Grand Duke.



But what are they called?
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But what are they called?


It varied by country, dynasty and time period.

Here is an example based on the Grand Duchy of Tuscany (late 16th century)

Heir of a Grand Duke: Cosmio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosimo_II_de'_Medici,_Grand_Duke_of_Tuscany#Titles.2C_styles.2C_honours_and_arms)
Title: His Highness The Grand Prince of Tuscany
Style: Your Highness

Usage 1:
"To His Highness The Grand Prince of Tuscany,
Sir, I hope this letter finds you in good spirits..."

Usage 2:
"Your Highness, I am honoured by your visit to my humble establishment"

Usage 3:
"His Highness cuts a dashing figure upon his horse."
"Yes, he is such a magnificent huntsman."


Younger child of a Grand Duke: Catherine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_de'_Medici,_Governor_of_Siena#Titles.2C_styles.2C_honours_and_arms)
Title: Her Highness Caterina de' Medici
Style: Your Highness

Usage 1:
"To Her Highness Caterina de' Medici,
Your Highness, I was overjoyed to hear of your plans to visit our city and I would like to extend a humble invitation to..."

Usage 2:
"Your Highness, if I may be so bold, that dress would be an excellent choice for the ball."

Usage 3:
"The ambassador came to discuss Her Highness's betrothal."
"It will never be allowed. The Grand Duke will never accept her marriage into a heathen religion."



You can adapt these examples with the other styles I mentioned above; "Royal Highness", "Imperial Highness" and so on. I will be happy to add other examples if you need something for a specific context.
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