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Realistically there probably IS someone that cares, and there is also a possibility that in the future someone will deeply care, but you haven't met them yet. Now there is also a possibility that no one cares, but that could also depend on your definition. I think to "care" means you feel deeply connected with someone, or rather you feel close to that person, so much so that if they died, went missing, or killed themselves then you would feel like a part of yourself died with them, or is now missing.

Most of times that I have wanted to commit suicide, it isn't because no one cares even if I say that to myself. I use that along with many other negative thoughts to try and push myself over the edge. It isn't easy to take your own life even if you feel like I do where life is just a chore, something you never asked for or wanted. Every day I struggle to see the point of it. In my opinion life is pointless, even science is pointless since the only reason science would matter is if life itself mattered. It's the big question of why are we even here on this earth? A question we will probably never have a true answer to. Either way it's nice sometimes to enjoy the little things that don't really matter in the grand scheme. Death is inevitable anyways, life isn't. It was never certain that *you* were going to be given a life, it was a chance that just kind of happened randomly at some random time for some random reason, so I guess why not at least try and enjoy your life since death is going to happen one way or another at another random time for another random reason.

I really do love the randomness of life though it's so chaotic and meaningless that it's beautiful. View things through my eyes for a second.

"If a person has made up there mind that "no one cares about me". Nothing anyone says or does will change their mind. Strangers can care about other strangers. There is a reason people help on suicide hotlines, domestic abuse hotlines, all sorts of hotlines."

So, basically there is no reason to have suicide hotlines since the people you are really trying to help can't be helped, yet we still try anyways. Life is funny, strange and ultimately pointless which in a weird way makes it beautiful. That's just my opinion however which also doesn't really matter, so take it however you want.
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in the human society we don't need natural selection for this purpuse are laws , democracy judges etc
if we think in the law of the jungle why not leave free the seral killer free also others predators.
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Death is permanent when your problems probably aren't. Suicide is usually an overreaction. Like a lawsuit against someone who owes you 50 cents or beating up a small child who looked at you wrong.

But, since people do crap like that, it doesn't surprised me that it happens.
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Not even sure what caring means anymore
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Aye, Me neither. I really don't feel much attachment to people any more in general.
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I first heard of a second cousin when he killed himself at 20. Depression and parents pushing/forcing him to study law became too much for him. It is sad that I will never meet him. To me a lot of his problems could be have been solved. He didn't have to continue with his Law studies. he could have walked out on his parents never to return and built his own life without their approval. It's possible that sooner or later they'd come around to accepting his choices because he was an adult, no longer a child.

Part of the problem complaining about people not caring is that sometimes you can overestimate people or underestimate them. Someone's idea of caring could be greeting you warmly each time they saw you. You might have been looking for them to parent you. Another could offer you a shoulder to cry on but you were expecting them to put you on their back and carry you. Another may invite you to a meal or event. People have limits. People also have their own individual challenges to see to. Caring can come a little here and there and from various sources. Yes there are some cruel people out there but in general many seem to care. The OP is so down that they're stuck on the side of pessimism. Positives can't be viewed from that angle.
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Suicide is an end all. I would be lying if I said I never tried it. Nearly succeeded too. I drank a bottle of rat poison. I suffer from clinical depression and it gets really bad.

I have also lost a family friend to suicide after he fought with his wife, and a friend of mine killed herself. This being said, I have a lot of feelings towards suicide.

I can say there will be people who will miss me when I commit suicide. What kind of miss though? Is it the loss of a loved one, such as a family or a lover will feel? Is it the loss of a good friend? What about just some passing stranger you saw had commit suicide in the newspaper and you met him once on the street? There are different levels of being "missed."

I would have my direct family miss me. I would have a friend miss me. Most strangers and acquaintances would just brush off my death. It happened to both of the other two who commit suicide. They were loners and didn't have a network of people.

As for people saying "Don't kill yourself, people will miss you!" Fuck you. You are telling someone to live for another out of guilt, rather than do what they want to do? I never told my friend to not kill herself. I cared for her dearly, but she wasn't happy. She had an abusive family, no one even talked to her, but me and two others. People say "Things always get better!" No... They don't. I have been stuck in a perpetual hell for the last 22 years of my life thanks to ASD. I cant socialize no matter how much I want to. I have been to therapy, drugged up etc. Nothing will work. I have just come to accept being alone.

All this said, I think people should be allowed to commit suicide without pressure. I don't like living my life out of guilt for other people, I don't think they should have to as well.
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To each his own. Everybody has their own opinion on this matter. For me, suicide is not an option even if it means being in pain. I have a conjectural theory that everybody is born with a suicide gene but with that, each person acts differently. Some people speak about their problems, other people suffer in silence. I don't believe everyone is suffering of course because many people have found ways out
Posted 10/12/15

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in the human society we don't need natural selection for this purpuse are laws , democracy judges etc
if we think in the law of the jungle why not leave free the serial killer free also others predators.


agreed. i'd imagine the suicidal could be just as dangerous as the serial killer. the idea that only those who are depressed would commit suicide is potentially untrue. i'd say, anyone could find themselves suicidal if the environment supports this. humans are ultimately required to support one another to not become prey to their environment. hence, anime lol
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Suicide is an end all. I would be lying if I said I never tried it. Nearly succeeded too. I drank a bottle of rat poison. I suffer from clinical depression and it gets really bad.

I have also lost a family friend to suicide after he fought with his wife, and a friend of mine killed herself. This being said, I have a lot of feelings towards suicide.

I can say there will be people who will miss me when I commit suicide. What kind of miss though? Is it the loss of a loved one, such as a family or a lover will feel? Is it the loss of a good friend? What about just some passing stranger you saw had commit suicide in the newspaper and you met him once on the street? There are different levels of being "missed."

I would have my direct family miss me. I would have a friend miss me. Most strangers and acquaintances would just brush off my death. It happened to both of the other two who commit suicide. They were loners and didn't have a network of people.

As for people saying "Don't kill yourself, people will miss you!" Fuck you. You are telling someone to live for another out of guilt, rather than do what they want to do? I never told my friend to not kill herself. I cared for her dearly, but she wasn't happy. She had an abusive family, no one even talked to her, but me and two others. People say "Things always get better!" No... They don't. I have been stuck in a perpetual hell for the last 22 years of my life thanks to ASD. I cant socialize no matter how much I want to. I have been to therapy, drugged up etc. Nothing will work. I have just come to accept being alone.

All this said, I think people should be allowed to commit suicide without pressure. I don't like living my life out of guilt for other people, I don't think they should have to as well.


This resonates with me. I'm sure if i committed suicide a lot of people would be like "i never knew he was struggling" and they would blab on about how we were "such good friends" and how they all loved me and crap, and honestly it's the fact that it's all fake that makes me wanna die in he first place. I can't approach people very well or force myself into things selfishly, I always think that i don't want to "bother" others. If they want me there they will ask me to come. I watch them go to lunch together, go have fun together, and i'm forgotten every single time by my "friends". They think that passing by and saying hello makes us friends when that doesn't. I say hello to people i hate and people i don't even know on the street. When i think someone says they want someone to "care" they mean they legitimately want someone to care about them for who they are. To actually want that person around and find them somewhat necessary to their lives. My parents love me, but i'm their child. It can't really be helped. So who loves me for me? Who cares? No one.

That's why i'm always alone. That's why every friendship i have always just breaks apart randomly. There's never any fight, no notice, it just stops. I come back the next day and no one is there. Like i'm a piece of trash that just got tossed away. How am i supposed to be happy like that? When i'm treated like trash. Actions speak louder than words. I hear people say "we're friends" all the time. I've never seen a single person in my entire life prove that. Honestly though, i don't think people should commit suicide. I think that no one should have to end their lives because of suffering caused by the negligence of those around them.
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daryo963 wrote:


in the human society we don't need natural selection for this purpuse are laws , democracy judges etc
if we think in the law of the jungle why not leave free the seral killer free also others predators.


A 43-year-old man burned to death after accidentally drinking from a jar containing gasoline and then smoking a cigarette.

Gary Allen Banning burst into flames after the cigarette ignited some of the liquid he had spilled on his clothes.

Police said Mr Banning was at a friend's apartment in Havelock, North Carolina, when he apparently mistook a jar of gasoline sitting by the kitchen sink for a drink.

Realising his mistake he immediately spit out the gas, but some of it spilled onto his clothes.

Sometime later, he went outside to smoke a cigarette and burst into flames.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108418/Gary-Allen-Banning-Man-dies-accidentally-drinking-gasoline-lighting-cigarette-going-flames.html#ixzz3oPUCVXF4



A 20-year-old man plunged to his death after "planking" on a seventh-story balcony in Brisbane, Australia, the Brisbane Times reported Sunday.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43036847/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/australia-man-plunges-planking-death/#.Vhxo0Je350w
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My thoughts in random order:

I understand that folks have a lot of pain and loneliness, but that is no excuse to become a murderer by killing yourself. Murder is never OK.

God loves and wants a relationship with everyone, and murder grieves Him no matter if the target is yourself or others.

I wish suicide was demonized more in society, since then fewer people would see it as a viable option.

I stand strongly against assisted suicide laws. Death with dignity? There is never any dignity in murder.
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I've had my experience with it and came really close several times.
It's the reason I don't really drink at all anymore since something like 90% of succesfull suicides involve alcohol.
I stopped myself because my mom would be destroyed and I just couldn't have that.
Society is honestly hilarious and so hypocritical.
Society as a whole can't function without having something or someone to destroy.
A small percantage initiates attacks and most others just follow because they're sheep or just fear being a target themselves.
When the target is in so much pain that they shut down and decide to end the pain some people wil honestly try to help but most people don't care.
In general the attacker has more rights then a victim which is funny because laws are supposed to protect the victim.
If the victim tries to fight back then they get ostracized and attacked by the laws that are supposed to help.
People don't want to see people kill themselves and yet they just watch or help people destroy eachother and maintain some sort of moral high ground saying that people don't have a right to end their suffering.
Most of the time people can be helped but sometimes people are destroyed so badly that they never can recover.
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CheeseGrease wrote:

My thoughts in random order:

I understand that folks have a lot of pain and loneliness, but that is no excuse to become a murderer by killing yourself. Murder is never OK.

God loves and wants a relationship with everyone, and murder grieves Him no matter if the target is yourself or others.

I wish suicide was demonized more in society, since then fewer people would see it as a viable option.

I stand strongly against assisted suicide laws. Death with dignity? There is never any dignity in murder.


If you look hard enough you'll find that many countries have an old law on suicide. It's classed as a crime. Long ago if you got depressed to try suicide and messed that up so you're still alive you got sent to prison. Never the less there were still people that committed suicide. There is still a stigma attached to those who survived suicide today.

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I find the idea of suicide incredibly selfish and cowardly no matter the reason. Simply for the fact that every day thousands of people who wish to live unfortunately due to crime or circumstance they cannot. As far as saying I care for a stranger who wants to commit suicide I can't say something false like that. I believe I would most likely punch them and yell at them first then offer fake words of comfort. As for someone who wants to commit suicide you're just creating unnecessary burdens for family and friends.
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