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Posted 10/11/15
In regards to the eastern half of the Roman Empire, which survived for more than 1,000 years before being conquered by Ottoman Turks, how do most Europeans feel about the fact that it was once European? What exists in its place today, a good part of it in what's now Turkey, is certainly not European. How do most Europeans feel about this, and in particular, its corollaries with events of late?
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Well I'm not European, but I can certainly tell you that everyone wanted that city to be their capital... it was the most technologically advanced, safest city, on probably the best location to ever put a city: on two continents, Europe and Asia. There's a reason why Constantine the Great moved the capital of SPQR to Constantinople... the East prospered while the West died a slow, painful death. The Theodosian walls stopped every enemy who tried to siege the city except for Mehmet and his Ottoman army (and maybe the crusaders who sacked the city and stole 3 trillion dollars worth of treasure from it), who over the years, annexed the areas around Constantinople, so the Empire was surrounded. People say Rome died in 476 AD... I say they died in 1453 with the fall of Constantinople.

Fun fact: Byzantine was a term created during the 16th century Renaissance by historians of the day. Before that, they were called Imperium Romanum, or Empire of the Romans. I suppose the reason for this was because the East Empire's culture was a tad different than the culture in the Latin west, and since the Renaissance was the rebirth of Classical Latin culture, they branded the East as being Byzantine, or different, to be frank.
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Posted 10/11/15
The Roman Empire was ridden with internal political turmoil and a poor economy as a result of the overextension of Roman forces and a dissonance within the ruling Italian upperclass. The assassination of caesars and the poverty of many citizens are most obvious indicators of such a weakening. Additionally, the Ottomans were the first to utilize siege cannons to great effect, and so ultimately finished off a crumbling nation.

As far as how Europeans feel, they do not have a common consensus, because Italy specifically is the modern remnant of the Romans. If you are asking if Europeans are upset about land that was once European and is now Turkish, I would wager a guess that they are not, seeing as how the British Empire had conquered 75% of the world and has now lost almost all of its colonies; the British Empire was even more recent than the Roman Empire, but British people don't complain about not being able to continue to subjugate large parts of India and Africa under their imperialism.

Now to tie this into recent news, I'd say that the Europeans are exceptionally reasonable with their reaction to Muslim immigrants. Let's keep in mind that Syrians and Turks have separated themselves for centuries, and have only in common that their primary religious groups are Muslim. Europe's economy has been struggling in the past decade, and so correspondingly, many of the European nations have set a limit on how many refugees they will be accepting, with the richest nations such as Britain, France, and Germany willing to accept the largest number. If you are asking whether or not historically Christian Europeans will seek retribution for the past invasions of historically Muslim middle easterners, it would seem that they have not taking ancient relations in the modern times. All this ancient history feuding involving Muslim settlers and invasions, European empires, The Crusades and other such old wars are considered by most modern nations a thing of the past. You can see this economically by how much market trade flows between Turkey, Europe, and the Maghreb, and by the fact that Turkey is one of the few both Muslim and Capitalist nations. Many lands have been owned by many people, and many ancestors have shed the blood of many other ancestors, but it simply isn't smart to hold grudges when economic gains can be made through alliances.
Posted 10/11/15
Nothing, really. I hear the Byzantines threw gold at the Swedes in order to make them leave, which the Swedes then didn't, so the Byzantines went "Ok, then, how about we throw even more gold at you, in exchange for guarding our Emperor or whatever," which made the Swedes go "Yeah, sure, I guess, fine." So, the Swedes guarded their whatever for a hundred or something years until they got bored, and a decade later the Byzantines lost all their influence in the Middle East. Or something like that, anyway, I'm fuzzy on the details.
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Hrafna wrote:

Nothing, really. I hear the Byzantines threw gold at the Swedes in order to make them leave, which the Swedes then didn't, so the Byzantines went "Ok, then, how about we throw even more gold at you, in exchange for guarding our Emperor or whatever," which made the Swedes go "Yeah, sure, I guess, fine." So, the Swedes guarded their whatever for a hundred or something years until they got bored, and a decade later the Byzantines lost all their influence in the Middle East. Or something like that, anyway, I'm fuzzy on the details.


Summary: Vikings attacked, Byzantine paid them off, some shit happened, more shit happened, some bad shit happened.
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Hrafna wrote:

Nothing, really. I hear the Byzantines threw gold at the Swedes in order to make them leave, which the Swedes then didn't, so the Byzantines went "Ok, then, how about we throw even more gold at you, in exchange for guarding our Emperor or whatever," which made the Swedes go "Yeah, sure, I guess, fine." So, the Swedes guarded their whatever for a hundred or something years until they got bored, and a decade later the Byzantines lost all their influence in the Middle East. Or something like that, anyway, I'm fuzzy on the details.


Summary: Vikings attacked, Byzantine paid them off, some shit happened, more shit happened, some bad shit happened.


While Viking mission did make it down that far it was the Huns not the Norse that actually did the raiding on the Byzantines. Yes they were paid off and that worked for awhile until Attila got greedy. Norse viking raids were mostly in the North Atlantic, Baltic and North Seas not saying they didn't run trade down to the Med but mostly it was northern Europe where they raided.

The Norse was a common name for those that raided out of the northern Scandinavian countries they settled in what is now modern Normandy, which is where the Normans came from into England. They did run trade mission are the Atlantic and down into the Mediterranean but what they are best known for is the viking raids oh the term viking doesn't refer to the people but the act of going out and trading with other areas or raiding them.

After Attila got down with them that was pretty much it the Empire was broken and the Ottomans just cleaned them up, do mostly to the fact they didn't have any military to speak of. Doesn't hurt that the Ottomans had some of the first heavy cannons for breaking walls of cities. Oh the Adventures of Baron Munchausen are not actually in the Byzantine empire but the Russian empire during the Russian Turk wars which took place at a much later time.

Posted 10/12/15
Most don't really care.
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Posted 10/12/15
I used to be a viking. Was pretty fun but then this shit happened.
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Posted 10/12/15
I don't see why they would care. Land has been taken by conquering nations since long before the Romans and continued (and will continue) for a long time still. Rome fell apart, other nations formed, other nations conquered, end of story.
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Posted 10/12/15
People aren't bothered over very old border lines. Right now Turkey is Turkey and is considered to be foreign, a neighbour just right next to Europe.
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europe is just a mess right now.
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Posted 10/12/15
They were still Romans. Rome fell when Constantinople fell. Also, I'm weird but I consider Turkey part of europe - albiet at the very edge of it.
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