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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was actually watching The Muppets. :/


So you were watching the debate then?


Please don't insult the Muppets.
Posted 10/14/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was actually watching The Muppets. :/


So you were watching the debate then?


Thanks for the laugh. I imagined Clinton as Ms.Piggy.
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Drat, I missed it. Anyone know where I can watch it recorded?
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Obviously rigged. Joe Biden isn't even running yet. How is Al Gore even on that list?

The amount of news networks claiming Hillary won the debate last night is disturbing. She spent half the time standing there smirking and the other half either copying Bernie's answers, dodging questions, or playing the woman card. Apparently, just standing straight and smiling is enough to get all the major news networks to believe that you've won a debate...


Biden can still enter the race, pay no attention to Gore and Warren, there's a reason they're at 0.

Anyway, the odds aren't rigged, they're completely accurate at this time. As I have said time and time again, it is nearly impossible to win the Democratic nomination without substantial support from minority voters.

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Obviously rigged. Joe Biden isn't even running yet. How is Al Gore even on that list?


It wouldn't be the first time Gore has been included in polling this year. As for Biden, he's very tightly woven into the fabric of the Democratic Party's establishment, isn't plagued by an e-mail scandal and Benghazi, and has sympathy for recently losing his son on his side. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC has rumblings in the background trying to set him up to run with Obama's blessing, something that could conceivably have an Earth-shattering effect on the primary.


The amount of news networks claiming Hillary won the debate last night is disturbing. She spent half the time standing there smirking and the other half either copying Bernie's answers, dodging questions, or playing the woman card. Apparently, just standing straight and smiling is enough to get all the major news networks to believe that you've won a debate...


That's just it, though: this primary is Clinton's to lose. She doesn't have to engage Sanders substantively and aggressively. She already has the support of the party's machinery, she already has the support of the lion's share of superdelegates, and she already has an enormous war chest for putting out ads, holding events, and so on. Clinton is basically starting a 100 m dash at the 80 m line while everyone else is back at the starting line. That's why Sanders is calling for a "revolution" in the form of widespread support: he has to cover an enormous amount of ground in order to catch up to where Clinton is starting. It's why he had to mention his website's fundraising, because he needs every dollar to continue fighting.

Meanwhile, the polling indicates that Sanders has made great headway among the leftward portion of the Democratic base, men, and young Democrats in general, but he's still tailing among some demographics he as an outsider desperately needs to have a chance at winning the primary: black Democrats, women, and seniors. Clinton is aware she has the advantage among these key groups, and so worked to maintain that advantage while beginning to attack the GOP. From her perspective that's the strategy that made sense. For Sanders the strategy that made sense was to push social security and try to snatch away some of the senior vote from Clinton. To push criminal justice reform, anti-poverty efforts, a harsh response to police brutality, and so on in an effort to bring himself to par with black Democrats. To push opposition to efforts to attack family planning and women's healthcare service providers.

The news outlets know all of this, so in their eyes Clinton "wins" the debate merely by not screwing up royally and losing ground with those key demographics. And while Sanders has managed to obtain greater support than I would've imagined he would in my wildest dreams, and while I am among those women who is more enthusiastic for him than I am for Clinton, he just doesn't seem to have gotten what he needed to out of that debate.

At least he got more out of it than Chafee, O'Malley, and Webb. I swear, by the end of it I was starting to think O'Malley had planned a way to get that electric grid into every answer.
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It wouldn't be the first time Gore has been included in polling this year. As for Biden, he's very tightly woven into the fabric of the Democratic Party's establishment, isn't plagued by an e-mail scandal and Benghazi, and has sympathy for recently losing his son on his side. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC has rumblings in the background trying to set him up to run with Obama's blessing, something that could conceivably have an Earth-shattering effect on the primary.


I'm actually waiting for this to happen. I doubt he'll win, but he'll definitely get in Hillary's way. He's already got Obama having to choose between his two favorite people. I can't wait for the chaos in the White House when Biden announces his run. The democrats can't let the republicans have all the (chaotic) fun.



At least he got more out of it than Chafee, O'Malley, and Webb. I swear, by the end of it I was starting to think O'Malley had planned a way to get that electric grid into every answer.


Oh right. The 3 guys who don't matter lol. At least O'Malley got more out of it than Chafee and Webb. Anderson kept forgetting Webb existed and Chafee was just there. I almost feel sorry for these guys... Almost. Not enough to care.
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The debate didn't have a lot of conflict/ drama I kept waiting for them to sing Kumbaya around the campfire. They took a lot of shots at Trump or Republican party. I thought Anderson Cooper was ok he sometimes annoys me not sure why maybe cause he is still building his career he is younger then all the candidates so maybe that's the problem?
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PhantomGundam wrote:

I'm actually waiting for this to happen. I doubt he'll win, but he'll definitely get in Hillary's way. He's already got Obama having to choose between his two favorite people. I can't wait for the chaos in the White House when Biden announces his run. The democrats can't let the republicans have all the (chaotic) fun.


It's not a foregone conclusion that he'll run, is it? Last I looked he had said he wasn't emotionally prepared, had asked that a major support ad basically begging him to get into the race not be run on TV, and hadn't taken any of the steps one has to in order to get a campaign off the ground. You don't just kind of walk onto the debate stage and start saying things. There are laws and deadlines you have to stay abreast of, and lots of hoops to jump through.


Oh right. The 3 guys who don't matter lol. At least O'Malley got more out of it than Chafee and Webb. Anderson kept forgetting Webb existed and Chafee was just there. I almost feel sorry for these guys... Almost. Not enough to care.


It's not that I'm ungrateful that someone was bringing a strong pro-environmental message to the stage, but the problem is that others were as well. None of those three were really doing anything outstanding apart from Webb, and the only thing he did that was particularly outstanding was lambaste China.
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chafee looks like mycroft from sherlock
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#Republican 2016

...But I really like Bernie Sanders as a human being. He's just too leftie for my taste. And I cannot stand Hilary Clinton.
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Webb needed a lot more talk time as he sounded like the most reasonable person up there. Hilary just wants to become first female president and says whatever will get her votes.... Bernie while good on some parts is insane on other parts and has no means to fund his plans short of raising taxes 50% then destroying the middle class with a $15/hour wages.
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Rujikin wrote:

Webb needed a lot more talk time as he sounded like the most reasonable person up there. Hilary just wants to become first female president and says whatever will get her votes.... Bernie while good on some parts is insane on other parts and has no means to fund his plans short of raising taxes 50% then destroying the middle class with a $15/hour wages.


Actually, with Bernie's Health care plan a pretty good portion of all of the costs that he proposed would already be covered. The US government spends a pretty gross amount on healthcare and switching to Bernie's system would cost $15tril, which saves $15tril over the estimated $30tril that the current health care system would cost (both over the next ten years) EDIT: I should mention that total savings don't equal $15tril as there is additional spending which puts it at closer to $9tril. Overall, the plan actually seems to save money, so while taxes would rise, it would simply be a reallocation of payments and not a net increase in spending. Additionally, a large part of the increase in taxes would go to the extremely rich.

I do think that $15/hour minimum wage is likely too high, but overall, I agree with the fundamentals of Bernie's plan. I just think that he is a bit to extreme on that measure.
Posted 10/15/15

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#Republican 2016

...But I really like Bernie Sanders as a human being. He's just too leftie for my taste. And I cannot stand Hilary Clinton.


I like Ben Carson, but he's too Right for me. He seems like a genuinely nice person who if you put aside your beliefs you could get along with him. I don't respect some of his views though. Especially concerning a certain unnamed minority.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


teallerina wrote:

#Republican 2016

...But I really like Bernie Sanders as a human being. He's just too leftie for my taste. And I cannot stand Hilary Clinton.


I like Ben Carson, but he's too Right for me. He seems like a genuinely nice person who if you put aside your beliefs you could get along with him. I don't respect some of his views though. Especially concerning a certain unnamed minority.


Seriously, Carson to me is my most hated Republican candidate, he barely understand science, most of the stuff he says is wrong and almost crazy and he has that passive aggressive attitude that makes me crazy.
Posted 10/15/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


teallerina wrote:

#Republican 2016

...But I really like Bernie Sanders as a human being. He's just too leftie for my taste. And I cannot stand Hilary Clinton.


I like Ben Carson, but he's too Right for me. He seems like a genuinely nice person who if you put aside your beliefs you could get along with him. I don't respect some of his views though. Especially concerning a certain unnamed minority.


Seriously, Carson to me is my most hated Republican candidate, he barely understand science, most of the stuff he says is wrong and almost crazy and he has that passive aggressive attitude that makes me crazy.


Doesn't matter where you graduate, you could be a charlatan or an idiot apparently. Dr.Oz was an accomplished cardio surgeon and half his claims have no merit as said by the Britain Board of Health or something. But back on Carson, he says this with a smile and little maliciousness, which in fact may be worst than what Trump is going for. As my sister says, she prefers people who outright hate her instead of backstabbers. Now that I think about it...maybe I mistaken tolerance for superiority complex and passive aggressiveness. Needs moar research.
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