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Posted 10/14/15
Should it be a rule that moderators must put the exact reasoning along with quotes from the post when they delete something. Quotes from the forum rules should be directly compared to the post, with specifics as to which parts break what rules.

This seems only fair and should prevent possible confusion.
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No.
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Posted 10/14/15 , edited 10/14/15
Look at it from this angle.

Person posts something.

Wants to know why its deleted

Has to contact a mod

wastes mods time and posters time

or:

Person posts something

Persons post gets deleted but see's why because mod put an explanation for them

I may be wrong here but I think this sounds reasonable.
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Look at it from this angle.

Person posts something. Said soemthing is against the rules Person failed to read/comprehend.

Mod has to waste time taking care of it, and deciding if it warrants a ban or infraction or whatever system this forum/community uses.

Why should the mod care about the poster's time?



But no. In all seriousness, it's much more reasonable to have members of the community read the rules and guidelines. If they're genuinely confused about something getting deleted, the need only contact a staff member to ask about it.

One single time.

Unless one is a member that is constantly breaking rules, there's not really much of any time "wasted." If one is constantly breaking rules, then sure, a Mod should pay "special attention" to them, giving them a ban. Most forums give you an explanation of why you were banned, along with the time left (if a temporary ban and not a permanent one).
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They generally do give reasons for closing threads.

The thread of yours titled "Why do they only speak Chinese in these cartoons?" that you are more than likely referencing here was an obvious troll thread with no other redeeming qualities whatsoever. It didn't really warrant any extra effort in its closing.
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The rules can be ambiguous though.


don't troll, don't flame, don't offer up flamebait.
That comes from the rules

It would be nice if mods explained how something is a flame, or troll. Because some people will have different view than others. For rules like not linking to other websites I totally understand.
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iAMspecial wrote:

The rules can be ambiguous though.


don't troll, don't flame, don't offer up flamebait.
That comes from the rules

It would be nice if mods explained how something is a flame, or troll. Because some people will have different view than others. For rules like not linking to other websites I totally understand.


Ambiguous rules are best for community forums, because they allow more leeway when a Mod knows something should be closed. Precisely defining "trolling," "flaming," etc., is near impossible as it is, and that's why Mods are human. They have the ability to recognize soemthing that doesn't fit into concrete definitions.

That specific line basically means, "don't be an asshole, and don't try to instigate fights." A broad definition, yeah, but it's generally not so hard for a Mod (or most forum members) to recognize when someone is purposefully trying to be an ass.
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Yes, and this new rule is to check for spiders.
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Usually the discussion happens with mod and culprit in a PM discreetly. The right to privacy is kinda in the rules so no discussion of why a ban happened is discussed in public
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Posted 10/14/15
Once the post is deleted people wont read it anyways.

And the mods already makes a reply saying it was removed so I dont think privacy a factor.
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iAMspecial wrote:

Once the post is deleted people wont read it anyways.

And the mods already makes a reply saying it was removed so I dont think privacy a factor.


Posted 10/14/15

sarteck wrote:

Look at it from this angle.

Person posts something. Said soemthing is against the rules Person failed to read/comprehend.

Mod has to waste time taking care of it, and deciding if it warrants a ban or infraction or whatever system this forum/community uses.

Why should the mod care about the poster's time?



But no. In all seriousness, it's much more reasonable to have members of the community read the rules and guidelines. If they're genuinely confused about something getting deleted, the need only contact a staff member to ask about it.

One single time.

Unless one is a member that is constantly breaking rules, there's not really much of any time "wasted." If one is constantly breaking rules, then sure, a Mod should pay "special attention" to them, giving them a ban. Most forums give you an explanation of why you were banned, along with the time left (if a temporary ban and not a permanent one).


Yeah how about you request CR support and tell me how long does't take for them to respond to you back ? Because anybody who has use CR support knows is utter shit. I have to go to their Facebook page in order to get shit done. Because 2 or 3 months without fixing a problem is utmost has bad as valve support.

Listing you mod apologist. Mod are essentially police officers in the community. Meaning they are morally obligated to explain their actions.

reasonable to have members of the community


Because they represent the company. Because if you lack the decency to explain yourself. Then you have not right to expect respect from the community. When a child does something wrong. You explain why is wrong. You don't go retard mode and punish the child without explanation.

Why should the mod care about the poster's time?


The rules are open to interpretation. That is good and bad. Good because it let them deal with different situations. Bad unlike you like to believe. There are mod who genuinely ban you for no good reason, or what they assume is you being hostile. Ether is a fail in their compression skills or they are assholes. So when they explain themselves. It help everybody understand why. So that why you know and the community knows when a mod is in the right. Or when they are being assholes. What you are implying is that mod should never have to explain themselves. That leave the door open for getting fuck over by the mod regardless of the rules. What you want is essentially freedom of consequence and criticisms. While you are right that being humans beings giving them the ability to tell when somebody is trolling. Is precisely because they are human beings that they can fuck up badly.
Posted 10/14/15

iAMspecial wrote:

Once the post is deleted people wont read it anyways.

And the mods already makes a reply saying it was removed so I dont think privacy a factor.


Post are no deleted. They are lock.
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KarenAraragi wrote:

Yeah how about you request CR support and tell me how long does't take for them to respond to you back ? Because anybody who has use CR support knows is utter shit. I have to go to their Facebook page in order to get shit done. Because 2 or 3 months without fixing a problem is utmost has bad as valve support.


1) Technical support and forum moderation are two completely separate beasts.
2) I have requested CR support when I was having an issue with my Wii U CR app. And yes, it did suck. Again, see #1.


KarenAraragi wrote:

Listing you mod apologist. Mod are essentially police officers in the community. Meaning they are morally obligated to explain their actions.

"Mod apologist?"

The Tumblr is strong in this one.




KarenAraragi wrote:

Because they represent the company. Because if you lack the decency to explain yourself. Then you have not right to expect respect from the community. When a child does something wrong. You explain why is wrong. You don't go retard mode and punish the child without explanation.


1) They do not represent CR. They are unpaid volunteers from the community.
2) If someone absolutely needs an explanation, and can't figure it out on their own, again, they can contact the staff.



KarenAraragi wrote:

The rules are open to interpretation. That is good and bad. Good because it let them deal with different situations. Bad unlike you like to believe. There are mod who genuinely ban you for no good reason, or what they assume is you being hostile. Ether is a fail in their compression skills or they are assholes. So when they explain themselves. It help everybody understand why. So that why you know and the community knows when a mod is in the right. Or when they are being assholes. What you are implying is that mod should never have to explain themselves. That leave the door open for getting fuck over by the mod regardless of the rules. What you want is essentially freedom of consequence and criticisms. While you are right that being humans beings giving them the ability to tell when somebody is trolling. Is precisely because they are human beings that they can fuck up badly.


Having been the administrator of a few forums, I've found that "private moderation" is always best. Deleting something or banning someone and then going and informing the rest of the community about the details? Not so much.

It's not a lack of accountability, either. How are you unable to see that Mods will always be accountable to the administrators of the forum?

If you honestly think you're getting fucked over by the mods, address an administrator. If the Admins won't listen to you, then your best bet is to GTFO.
Posted 10/15/15 , edited 10/15/15

Excuses excuses. And when I say explanation, put it in the post that you lock, because I fucking care.
Excuse me but fuck you. Sorry for the use of language there. I will rise hell for them. I never have problem I couldn't fix. When I am in the wrong. I let it. go. Getting pay or not, YOUR FUCKING ACTIONS AFFECT HOW PEOPLE SEE THE SITE IN GENERAL. I no asking you to post about it, I asking that you post your reasoning in the post that you lock. What you are saying is this. I am to lazy to explain why I did something in the post, even if just one click away.

If the Admins won't listen to you, then your best bet is to GTFO.


Listing but you can go a head and suck a dick. I don't use that site unless is necessary.

The Tumblr is strong in this one.

Haha. Please have you seen how bad Reddit is right now with your logic ? It make Tumblr look like heaven in comparison.

It's not a lack of accountability, either. How are you unable to see that Mods will always be accountable to the administrators of the forum?


Yes it is. You are making excuses. You are assuming the mod god is going to act, when there no guarantee it will do the right thing. Look a Reddit. They thou that they could humiliated one their users, even mod god thou that they were right, until the user rise hell for them.

It's not a lack of accountability, either.

This is the most BS thing I hear in awhile. Like really ? When did that even exist it in the first place ? Sorry but when I see a bitch ask to kill a specific group of people, yet she get a warning but somebody get ban for calling her a bitch. You can see why I don't believe you one bit. That forum moderation exist ? Is more like this in reality. If you don't offend the mod. You are safe. But say something I may find offensive and your ass is ban until the year 2021. Yes it happen, I seen it happen.

forum moderation


Now will be to hard for you no to reply back to me ? I don't feel like wasting time in something that only the company boss, can do anything about in the first place. Or do you want to wast 50 hours of your life in this argument ? Because I no backing down from it.
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