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Posted 10/15/15 , edited 10/14/16
(The reason I posted was get people to appreciate what they have. I've seen all kinds of reactive and defensive responses to this post- If you still feel what you feel that's fine... I'm not here to force to you to appreciate)

Fans nowadays are seriously spoiled, a quasi-historical account

Absolutely no one here will like what I have to say, but I've been meaning to say this for a while (years) and hey. I don't care anymore.


I would say the vast majority of anime fans nowadays, particularly the newer ones, have absolutely no idea how good they have it. As far as I'm concerned they're spoiled rotten. What seem to me to be the smallest things get them in one huge twist.

Here are some examples of how things used to be, when fans want to watch anime.

Ordering fansub VHS tapes: 4 episodes per tape
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To copy tapes, they usually use actual dupe machines if they're rich or daisy-chain VCRs if they're not. If you're not that lucky you get the grainy crappy copies at the end of the chain.

Maison Ikkoku / Kimagure Orange Road

A Canadian fansub group used to be the only group that did those series.

The turnaround time for VHS fansub tapes was supposed to be less than a year, but nope- Some of the tapes definitely took longer than a year, and some of the tapes I just never GOT.

They charged $2 per tape. That was the going rate to pay for postage and blanks.

Some of the tapes were really bad. I could barely read the subtitles and the entire picture was fuzzy. Well, beats not watching at all.

Later on, I could start finding tapes at video stores.

Looking for commercial VHS tapes at video stores: 2 episodes per tape
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I think companies charged around $25 to $30 for a single tape, that only had two episodes on them. Ugh. However, the production quality was better than fansubs of course, and I got clear pictures!

Ranma 1/2

The dubbed Ranma 1/2 was done by a Canadian studio, and distributed by Viz. The Canadian studio actually did a great job- The actors didn't treat the show like a kid's show and didn't ruin it with nasal kid's show overracting which plagued anime VA for the longest time. I was happy to pay the steep price, but those episodes sure came out at a glacial pace...

Going to monthly local anime club meetings: More than 1 hour drive

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Later on there started to have anime clubs, where people rent space at a local library or local college lecture hall and show VHS tapes on a big projection screen.

That was wonderful. I got to watch stuff for free! However........

Even though each VHS fansub had typically 4 episodes, the clubs certainly couldn't just show them all at once. They have to hold back and save things up because by that time the turnaround time for fansubs still weren't that fast.

So they showed maybe one episode per MONTH (two at most) each incoming series.

Imagine this: You're watching either Fushigi Yuugi, the most emotionally-manipulative anime in the history of mankind, or Vision of Escaflowne, one of the best anime fantasy epics, and you have to wait a MONTH for the next episode?

Every time, particularly at the end of a cliffhanger episode (...which is just about every episode sometimes in Fushigi Yuugi and Escaflowne) there was a huge groan as everyone in the whole room collectively exclaimed in dismay "OHHH NOOOOOOOO!!" as all of us had to wait at least a month to find out what happens in the next episode... Sometimes there are no meetings or meetings get cancelled, or the schedule gets changed when the tapes don't come. Yes, please use your imagination.

The rise of Suncoast Video anime section, and the advent of anime DVDs
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Yes, some of you will no doubt remember Suncoast Video. It was a momentous time for us fans because finally, it looks like anime is going main stream. "Wow, there's an anime section!!" many of us exclaimed in joy. We could buy Sailor Moon episodes just like that. Wowzers.

However, the celebration was somewhat short-lived. Even though there are by then maybe (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 episodes per DVD instead of just 2 episodes per VHS tape, it was still EXPENSIVE.

Still, one big step at least for us North American otakus. Things were most definitely much better than before.

The Easy Times begin: Downloading and torrenting anime episodes
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Sure, when it began it was sorta kinda slow. I had to torrent more than a day to get just one episode. However, it was free and it was easy. Pretty soon it was more than just an episode a day, and these speed-subbers popped up left and right (The term "speed subber" goes back to at least the time of the Kenshin VHS fansubs, but it was more prevalent when torrenting started)

It was then, that I sorta started to lose interest in going to conventions. I mean, I can watch all I want at home. Times have definitely changed.

HOWEVER, it's still not even remotely as easy as it is TODAY because...

Here be streaming and simulcasts
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"Seriously? Stop the stupid jokes, that'll never happen" would be my reaction if you told me years and years ago that "in the future" we'll watch new anime episodes at the same time the Japanese viewers get to watch them, and be translated, no less!

Am I living in a dream? Gotta pinch myself. No, nope... This is 2016.

What are these people nowadays complaining about, again? No, they haven't been through the times when all that you've got to "choose" from in the stores are hentai or border-hentai titles like La Blue Girl and Ninja Scroll because that's all the tiny overseas industry at the time were willing to take chances on.

I really want them to board a time machine back to late 80s / early 90s and stay there. They'd be happier. Or not.
Posted 10/15/15 , edited 12/14/15
Meanwhile, these kids still be pirating instead of shelling out a mere $10 a month for A Funi+CR membership. Jesus Christ, people are so cheap these days. It's one thing to torrent ever17 for a defunct visual novel company like Kid, it's quite another for existing studios like Madhouse or PA works.
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Damned kids need to stay off our lawn.
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I heard about this at a convention panel, it was some pretty interesting stuff.

I don't get the point of being bitter about how things have gotten better though. Every generation makes the same complaint about the next. It's like some long running joke where you could wait hundreds of years for the punch line and it would never come.

To one person, I am young enough to complain about and to another I am old enough to complain about them. I'd rather not contribute to the bitching chain of time unless it's something of actual importance. I'd rather sit back and see what insults the next generation comes up with for their younger generation.
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Posted 10/15/15 , edited 11/6/15
Yeah... good anime is fairly easy to watch, these days.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Meanwhile, these kids still be pirating instead of shelling out a mere $10 a month for A Funi+CR membership. Jesus Christ, people are so cheap these days. It's one thing to torrent ever17 for a defunct visual novel company like Kid, it's quite another for existing studios like Madhouse or PA works.


I agree. I try to support the industry when I can. I want them to keep producing good stuff for me to enjoy.
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Meanwhile, these kids still be pirating instead of shelling out a mere $10 a month for A Funi+CR membership. Jesus Christ, people are so cheap these days. It's one thing to torrent ever17 for a defunct visual novel company like Kid, it's quite another for existing studios like Madhouse or PA works.


I tried funimation

This is not available in your territory
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Last time I ever bother with crapimation. Scammed me out of my money.
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>To copy tapes, they usually use actual dupe machines if they're rich or daisy-chain VCRs if they're not. If you're not that lucky you get the grainy crappy copies at the end of the chain.

Those were the days.
Posted 10/15/15 , edited 12/14/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Meanwhile, these kids still be pirating instead of shelling out a mere $10 a month for A Funi+CR membership. Jesus Christ, people are so cheap these days. It's one thing to torrent ever17 for a defunct visual novel company like Kid, it's quite another for existing studios like Madhouse or PA works.


I tried funimation

This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory
This is not available in your territory

Last time I ever bother with crapimation. Scammed me out of my money.


I am an American Immigrant, so I forgot about you poor Europeans. :/
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Posted 10/15/15 , edited 10/15/15

Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

I heard about this at a convention panel, it was some pretty interesting stuff.

I don't get the point of being bitter about how things have gotten better though. Every generation makes the same complaint about the next. It's like some long running joke where you could wait hundreds of years for the punch line and it would never come.

To one person, I am young enough to complain about and to another I am old enough to complain about them. I'd rather not contribute to the bitching chain of time unless it's something of actual importance. I'd rather sit back and see what insults the next generation comes up with for their younger generation.


Too true, perhaps some would realize how good they have it and feel better about all these current "problems" that in their eyes are destroying anime or something.

I seriously doubt it, though.


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Meanwhile, these kids still be pirating instead of shelling out a mere $10 a month for A Funi+CR membership. Jesus Christ, people are so cheap these days. It's one thing to torrent ever17 for a defunct visual novel company like Kid, it's quite another for existing studios like Madhouse or PA works.


The sense of entitlement is ridiculously strong in some... There's no use in fighting that invincible force (yes I know I just posted that one big... I know it's no use) Some would still complain up a storm even if it's free
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Thank you for the informative post!
How did you guys find out about what new new anime to watch?
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The sense of entitlement is ridiculously strong in some... There's no use in fighting that invincible force (yes I know I just posted that one big... I know it's no use) Some would still complain up a storm even if it's free


It feels weird that I'm the only one of my friends who has a CR subscription. I tell everyone how great it is and that it's the same cost as Netflix so it's even great for low income families and they're all: "ehhhh".

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/shrug

I rented my tapes from the local video rental store.
They had large anime and foreign video sections.
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When I was your age...

Get with the times
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Posted 10/15/15 , edited 10/15/15

FlyinDumpling wrote:

When I was your age...

Get with the times


I'm pretty sure "getting with the times" doesn't involve obtaining a huge sense of entitlement or having a relatively narrow POV


HuastecoOtaku wrote:

How did you guys find out about what new new anime to watch?


Before the web came along, it was kind of word-of-mouth plus what you can see in the video stores.

After the web, there are fans making individual fansites for each series (real fansites are a lost art... you don't see many of those around anymore) and there are anime "web rings" and link collections that you could hunt through. Plus the Usenet newsgroups.

Nowadays technology makes it too easy... Indices just flat out give recommendations based on what you input. http://www.anime-planet.com/
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