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Actually, that is one of the reasons I watch anime. When I started, the first show I watched (unfortunately, I can't remember it now) had a really beautiful OP, and I just thought the language sounded cool. I picked up a few words pretty quickly (kawaii, hai, baka, and caught on to the fact that honorifics indicate a name), and then made up a system. I would play an episode with my eyes closed, listening for words I knew, and sounds that were distinct, or try to pick out the individual words, even if I didn't know what they meant (For instance, for a while, I heard "watashi" without understanding it, but I knew that it was a word). Next I watched the episode with subs, again listening for words I knew, and trying to fit them in with the translation, relating their locations to unknown words. I learned a few more words that way, and even a few phrases. However, I was impatient, and gave up because the progress was slow. Now I watch anime just because I like anime, although I have been thinking about giving it another try.
I didn't start learning that way because I was a weeaboo, but because I don't have classes in my area, and I was too cheap to spend money on books or courses. Anime and j-pop are the most accessible media that I could use to learn.


Look for Japanese lessons on YouTube. They will be done usually by a native Japanese and it costs you nothing. If you spoke to a Japanese person using the words you have picked up from anime, you will look silly. Sorry to say. The fact that you have gave examples like "kawaii and hai" just prove that. Japanese is a very complicated and involved language, hence why they could say like two words which would equal a whole sentence. Try YouTube, matey.
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Look for Japanese lessons on YouTube. They will be done usually by a native Japanese and it costs you nothing. If you spoke to a Japanese person using the words you have picked up from anime, you will look silly. Sorry to say. The fact that you have gave examples like "kawaii and hai" just prove that. Japanese is a very complicated and involved language, hence why they could say like two words which would equal a whole sentence. Try YouTube, matey.


not to mention the typical foreigner ("weeb") pronunciation of said words. they might either cringe or laugh.
or worse, pretend that they're impressed of your Japanese (that's probably what happens in most cases)
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WoldInn wrote:
Look for Japanese lessons on YouTube. They will be done usually by a native Japanese and it costs you nothing. If you spoke to a Japanese person using the words you have picked up from anime, you will look silly. Sorry to say. The fact that you have gave examples like "kawaii and hai" just prove that. Japanese is a very complicated and involved language, hence why they could say like two words which would equal a whole sentence. Try YouTube, matey.


not to mention the typical foreigner ("weeb") pronunciation of said words. they might either cringe or laugh.
or worse, pretend that they're impressed of your Japanese (that's probably what happens in most cases)


*nods* I agree.
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WoldInn wrote:


foraslan wrote:

Actually, that is one of the reasons I watch anime. When I started, the first show I watched (unfortunately, I can't remember it now) had a really beautiful OP, and I just thought the language sounded cool. I picked up a few words pretty quickly (kawaii, hai, baka, and caught on to the fact that honorifics indicate a name), and then made up a system. I would play an episode with my eyes closed, listening for words I knew, and sounds that were distinct, or try to pick out the individual words, even if I didn't know what they meant (For instance, for a while, I heard "watashi" without understanding it, but I knew that it was a word). Next I watched the episode with subs, again listening for words I knew, and trying to fit them in with the translation, relating their locations to unknown words. I learned a few more words that way, and even a few phrases. However, I was impatient, and gave up because the progress was slow. Now I watch anime just because I like anime, although I have been thinking about giving it another try.
I didn't start learning that way because I was a weeaboo, but because I don't have classes in my area, and I was too cheap to spend money on books or courses. Anime and j-pop are the most accessible media that I could use to learn.


Look for Japanese lessons on YouTube. They will be done usually by a native Japanese and it costs you nothing. If you spoke to a Japanese person using the words you have picked up from anime, you will look silly. Sorry to say. The fact that you have gave examples like "kawaii and hai" just prove that. Japanese is a very complicated and involved language, hence why they could say like two words which would equal a whole sentence. Try YouTube, matey.


Actually, my examples don't prove that. I know that anime is, in fact, cartoons. That doesn't make it totally useless. Kawaii and hai happen to be used in anime a lot, and therefore I learned them early on. I wouldn't go around saying kawaii all the time though Of course it is complicated- all languages are, and if they weren't, I would probably not be so fascinated by them.

Thanks to you and namealreadytaken for your suggestions, although I did use youtube to learn as well (but I hadn't heard of genki, I might check it out). To be fair, I should have mentioned that at first. I used anime and music mostly as listening practice, with only a few of the words I learned actually coming from it. I did look at youtube for some help, as well as learning the basics of romaji so that I could understand pronunciation subtleties better (although I still have trouble with long vowels such as 'ii' and 'ou'/'oo', and the differentiating 'y' from 'i'- for instance, sayaka sounds like saiaka).
Posted 10/17/15
I generally don't have any problem keeping up with subs. I read relatively fast.
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haha... =^-^=

I'm just going to tell you this because the sub I learn how to read really fast thank 2 that.. but I do have 2 go bck sometime I do miss it, cuz I look away for just a second it is a little annoying.. really it dose but I prefer sub than English.. hee hee hee
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I have trouble reading it quick enough sometimes.
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foraslan wrote:
Thanks to you and namealreadytaken for your suggestions, although I did use youtube to learn as well (but I hadn't heard of genki, I might check it out). To be fair, I should have mentioned that at first. I used anime and music mostly as listening practice, with only a few of the words I learned actually coming from it. I did look at youtube for some help, as well as learning the basics of romaji so that I could understand pronunciation subtleties better (although I still have trouble with long vowels such as 'ii' and 'ou'/'oo', and the differentiating 'y' from 'i'- for instance, sayaka sounds like saiaka).


one thing to note, you should first focus on learning the alphabet first, that is hiragana / katakana.
shouldn't take too long, and there's a lot of resources that helps you learn. if you check Tae Kim, that's the very first thing he teaches you.
here's a few of the sources that might be useful.
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It's funny because I read closed captioning on TV even though I know fluent English. I enjoy reading A LOT. So I can read pretty fast, subs aren't problem for me. Plus I learn some Japanese on top of that, and I enjoy the voice acting more You just have to train your brain, I remember when I first watched a subbed anime, I was struggling for like a month or so.
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i did at first had a hard time keep up the subs because i am used juts watching dub because i didn't have a computer to watch anime on crunchyroll but now i do have computer i am watching more anime in subs so it has been a lot easier for me to keep up
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You just get used to it after a while. Plus you sort of pick up some Japanese that gets used over and over so sometimes you could get by without completely reading.

However... The Japanese you "learn" from anime is the kind of "anime Japanese" that would make you sound crazy if used in real life.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

you don't really learn Japanese other than the greeting and a few words, most of which will probably not be useful in real life. those greetings, by the way, is usually taught in the very first or second chapter of any standard Japanese grammar book (for foreigners) and as you said, subs often take the 'liberty' to translate the dialogue to something else. subs were never meant to be used for learning. the why trying to learn anime from Japanese is a bad idea would take an entire thread, so i'll just stop here.

about reading subs - i can usually keep up w/o much trouble (except maybe series like monogatari).
possibly because of the experience reading game dialogues quickly :p


What do you mean you can't? I know perhaps 5000+ words not counting inflections 'cuz of it and can generally keep up w/ the speech while reading. I know people who went well and above me w/ this even.

I guess for a beginner it would be no good. I didn't come into this with nothing.
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I never really struggled with subs since i was used to reading them at a young age
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I can keep up with subs.

But I still prefer the dubbed version.
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