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Political correctness is def important. Chief Wahoo has to go! I mean that mascot is nothing more than an offensive racial stereotype from another era (if you don't know what Chief Wahoo is it is a baseball mascot for the cleveland indians that is well... look it up and you'll see).


I used to travel with my family from PowWow to PowWow, every week somewhere different, and we made a living by making Indian arts and crafts to sell, my brother, father, and I sang on the drum, my sister danced competitively (quite often earning first in both traditioanl and jingle dress categories, I might add, hah).

When we were doing PowWows down in the southeastern states, we often had Levi Walker sleep in our tipi and eat with us, and sometiems he even sang with us.

Levi Walker, an Ottowa Indian, is better known as CHief Noc-A-Homa (Knock a Homer), then the mascot of the Atlanta Braves. He (and most all of the vendors, singers, and dancers that came to teh events) never really saw any issue with him being the mascot, or with there being such a mascot in the first place. (I don't know what Levi is doing now, and for all I know he might still be the mascot, hah.)

We often joked about how a lot of people who did find the stereotype offensive were getting offended for someone else who really didn't care. That's how it is with many SJWs, really.

I don't know if the same is the case with the Cleveland Indians mascot, or if there's something that's actually detestable going on, but I imagine it's the former.



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I will piss social justice warriors off on purpose. It's not hard and to know what buttons to push to do so also comes in handy.


SJWs live in the 21st century, they don't have buttons. All touch screen and voice command these days. Get with it.


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the n-word and/or the r-word


I don't even know what the "r-word" is... Redneck?


r-word=retard

I hate that word. Why? Because kids at middle and high school called me that just because I was different from them. Heck, even if they used retard in a medical sense it still wouldn't make sense because I had Aspergers, not Down-Syndrome. And even if I did have Down-Syndrome, it's obvious that they were using it as an insult. That is why the "r-word" should be discouraged (if not out-right banned). Sure, you may complain about not being able to use the "r-word" but instead of blaming Political Correctness, you should blame those who used it as an insult in the first place. If people didn't insult others and everyone treated everyone else fairly then there would be no need for Political Correctness.

For the record, I dislike the term Redneck too (after all, it can also be used as an insult).

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As much as I hate people being overly-sensitive, I get kind of tired of seeing some people constantly complain about political correctness. After a while, it seems so pointless, doesn't it? People won't change until they are ready.

And aside from that, some people complain about political correctness and say things that really shouldn't be said. Really, that's what it all started as - people being dicks, other people telling them to cut it out, and people saying they were being overly, purposefully correct like politicians try to be. But, like all things, in time the "don't be a dick" turned into "I'm a XHE, NOT a she! Stop raping me! Doctors shouldn't tell people that being overweight in unhealthy!"
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LadyPsychic wrote:
the n-word and/or the r-word


I don't even know what the "r-word" is... Redneck?


r-word=retard

I hate that word. Why? Because kids at middle and high school called me that just because I was different from them. Heck, even if they used retard in a medical sense it still wouldn't make sense because I had Aspergers, not Down-Syndrome. And even if I did have Down-Syndrome, it's obvious that they were using it as an insult. That is why the "r-word" should be discouraged (if not out-right banned). Sure, you may complain about not being able to use the "r-word" but instead of blaming Political Correctness, you should blame those who used it as an insult in the first place. If people didn't insult others and everyone treated everyone else fairly then there would be no need for Political Correctness.



I was called a retard all the time. Usually when i did something retarded.

I don't "blame" anyone for not being able to use the word. It's retarded not to use it. Yes, even as an insult. People aren't goign to "never insult each other." That's such a false utopian ideal that I can't even my evens. When I call it "retarded," I actually mean it from it's dictionary definitions of "very foolish or stupid."
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mrya21 wrote:

Political correctness is def important. Chief Wahoo has to go! I mean that mascot is nothing more than an offensive racial stereotype from another era (if you don't know what Chief Wahoo is it is a baseball mascot for the cleveland indians that is well... look it up and you'll see).


I used to travel with my family from PowWow to PowWow, every week somewhere different, and we made a living by making Indian arts and crafts to sell, my brother, father, and I sang on the drum, my sister danced competitively (quite often earning first in both traditioanl and jingle dress categories, I might add, hah).

When we were doing PowWows down in the southeastern states, we often had Levi Walker sleep in our tipi and eat with us, and sometiems he even sang with us.

Levi Walker, an Ottowa Indian, is better known as CHief Noc-A-Homa (Knock a Homer), then the mascot of the Atlanta Braves. He (and most all of the vendors, singers, and dancers that came to teh events) never really saw any issue with him being the mascot, or with there being such a mascot in the first place. (I don't know what Levi is doing now, and for all I know he might still be the mascot, hah.)

We often joked about how a lot of people who did find the stereotype offensive were getting offended for someone else who really didn't care. That's how it is with many SJWs, really.

I don't know if the same is the case with the Cleveland Indians mascot, or if there's something that's actually detestable going on, but I imagine it's the former.



mrya21 wrote:


WoldInn wrote:

I will piss social justice warriors off on purpose. It's not hard and to know what buttons to push to do so also comes in handy.


SJWs live in the 21st century, they don't have buttons. All touch screen and voice command these days. Get with it.





There are plenty of native americans that find chief wahoo racist. It's not as big a controversy as say, the red skins, but it's not the best situation. I mean, chief wahoo really is a gross caricature from another era. It kind of reminds me of the "little black sambo" images, which of course are straight racist. I don't think the original designers of the logo/mascot gave any thought whatsoever to what native americans thought at all and whether or not they were bad people trying to be racist it's not really relevant today because it is an exaggerated caricature of a specific group of people who were horribly treated. Even without getting rid of the Indians name and mascot there are surely less derogatory looking logo they could come up with (also the name chief wahoo doesn't sound much better)
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mrya21 wrote:

Political correctness is def important. Chief Wahoo has to go! I mean that mascot is nothing more than an offensive racial stereotype from another era (if you don't know what Chief Wahoo is it is a baseball mascot for the cleveland indians that is well... look it up and you'll see).


I used to travel with my family from PowWow to PowWow, every week somewhere different, and we made a living by making Indian arts and crafts to sell, my brother, father, and I sang on the drum, my sister danced competitively (quite often earning first in both traditioanl and jingle dress categories, I might add, hah).

When we were doing PowWows down in the southeastern states, we often had Levi Walker sleep in our tipi and eat with us, and sometiems he even sang with us.

Levi Walker, an Ottowa Indian, is better known as CHief Noc-A-Homa (Knock a Homer), then the mascot of the Atlanta Braves. He (and most all of the vendors, singers, and dancers that came to teh events) never really saw any issue with him being the mascot, or with there being such a mascot in the first place. (I don't know what Levi is doing now, and for all I know he might still be the mascot, hah.)

We often joked about how a lot of people who did find the stereotype offensive were getting offended for someone else who really didn't care. That's how it is with many SJWs, really.

I don't know if the same is the case with the Cleveland Indians mascot, or if there's something that's actually detestable going on, but I imagine it's the former.


If we could shame George Lucas into renaming the most racist fucking thing ever put on the big screen, I'm all for it.



And just FYI, the Miwoks (that's who the Ewoks, nice hackjob on the name Lucas, are based off of) never lived in the Redwoods filmed in ROTJ, those are Yurok and Hupa lands.
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There are plenty of native americans that find chief wahoo racist. It's not as big a controversy as say, the red skins, but it's not the best situation. I mean, chief wahoo really is a gross caricature from another era. It kind of reminds me of the "little black sambo" images, which of course are straight racist. I don't think the original designers of the logo/mascot gave any thought whatsoever to what native americans thought at all and whether or not they were bad people trying to be racist it's not really relevant today because it is an exaggerated caricature of a specific group of people who were horribly treated. Even without getting rid of the Indians name and mascot there are surely less derogatory looking logo they could come up with (also the name chief wahoo doesn't sound much better)


Well, like I said, I ain't got no horses in that race. Last time I knew anything about baseball was the early nineties, and the only thing I "knew" about it was Levi, hahaha, so I don't know what Wahoo's all about.

But from what you're telling me there, sounds a pretty thin line to walk. We gunna ban old Disney cartoons next, y'know? I know, i know, probably apples and oranges, but it seems a similar thing to me.

(Also, "Wahoo" might be a little less original than "Noc-a-Homa," but seems about the same to me in terms of sound, hahaha.)
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mrya21 wrote:
There are plenty of native americans that find chief wahoo racist. It's not as big a controversy as say, the red skins, but it's not the best situation. I mean, chief wahoo really is a gross caricature from another era. It kind of reminds me of the "little black sambo" images, which of course are straight racist. I don't think the original designers of the logo/mascot gave any thought whatsoever to what native americans thought at all and whether or not they were bad people trying to be racist it's not really relevant today because it is an exaggerated caricature of a specific group of people who were horribly treated. Even without getting rid of the Indians name and mascot there are surely less derogatory looking logo they could come up with (also the name chief wahoo doesn't sound much better)


Well, like I said, I ain't got no horses in that race. Last time I knew anything about baseball was the early nineties, and the only thing I "knew" about it was Levi, hahaha, so I don't know what Wahoo's all about.

But from what you're telling me there, sounds a pretty thin line to walk. We gunna ban old Disney cartoons next, y'know? I know, i know, probably apples and oranges, but it seems a similar thing to me.

(Also, "Wahoo" might be a little less original than "Noc-a-Homa," but seems about the same to me in terms of sound, hahaha.)



Too late, already done.

Speedy Gonzales was also banned for awhile, until the Latins got together and said Speedy was great and an Icon.
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mrya21 wrote:


WoldInn wrote:

I will piss social justice warriors off on purpose. It's not hard and to know what buttons to push to do so also comes in handy.


SJWs live in the 21st century, they don't have buttons. All touch screen and voice command these days. Get with it.


Oh, a funny man.
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mrya21 wrote:
There are plenty of native americans that find chief wahoo racist. It's not as big a controversy as say, the red skins, but it's not the best situation. I mean, chief wahoo really is a gross caricature from another era. It kind of reminds me of the "little black sambo" images, which of course are straight racist. I don't think the original designers of the logo/mascot gave any thought whatsoever to what native americans thought at all and whether or not they were bad people trying to be racist it's not really relevant today because it is an exaggerated caricature of a specific group of people who were horribly treated. Even without getting rid of the Indians name and mascot there are surely less derogatory looking logo they could come up with (also the name chief wahoo doesn't sound much better)


Well, like I said, I ain't got no horses in that race. Last time I knew anything about baseball was the early nineties, and the only thing I "knew" about it was Levi, hahaha, so I don't know what Wahoo's all about.

But from what you're telling me there, sounds a pretty thin line to walk. We gunna ban old Disney cartoons next, y'know? I know, i know, probably apples and oranges, but it seems a similar thing to me.

(Also, "Wahoo" might be a little less original than "Noc-a-Homa," but seems about the same to me in terms of sound, hahaha.)


It is a thin line, and I don't think it needs to disappear from the history books, same with those old racist disney cartoons. I mean, I've read Huck Finn. I don't want to censor it. I just can't find any good justification for keeping an old racist caricature around because some baseball fans don't want to have to buy new merch. I any case, the old stuff with the logo might become worth something someday if they replaced the logo.
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mrya21 wrote:


WoldInn wrote:

I will piss social justice warriors off on purpose. It's not hard and to know what buttons to push to do so also comes in handy.


SJWs live in the 21st century, they don't have buttons. All touch screen and voice command these days. Get with it.


Oh, a funny man.


I try.
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LadyPsychic wrote:


sarteck wrote:




LadyPsychic wrote:
the n-word and/or the r-word


I don't even know what the "r-word" is... Redneck?


r-word=retard

I hate that word. Why? Because kids at middle and high school called me that just because I was different from them. Heck, even if they used retard in a medical sense it still wouldn't make sense because I had Aspergers, not Down-Syndrome. And even if I did have Down-Syndrome, it's obvious that they were using it as an insult. That is why the "r-word" should be discouraged (if not out-right banned). Sure, you may complain about not being able to use the "r-word" but instead of blaming Political Correctness, you should blame those who used it as an insult in the first place. If people didn't insult others and everyone treated everyone else fairly then there would be no need for Political Correctness.



I was called a retard all the time. Usually when i did something retarded.

I don't "blame" anyone for not being able to use the word. It's retarded not to use it. Yes, even as an insult. People aren't goign to "never insult each other." That's such a false utopian ideal that I can't even my evens. When I call it "retarded," I actually mean it from it's dictionary definitions of "very foolish or stupid."


Well, I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree then. I refuse to use the r-word. I mean, what's the point of that word when you can just say "stupid" instead? As far as people never insulting each other being a "false utopian ideal", maybe you are correct but not even trying isn't going to help either. Personally, I think that if people were properly punished every time they insulted someone they would eventually stop. Of course, there are some flaws with that idea such as violating 1st amendment rights (though I personally don't think insults should be covered by the 1st amendment) and defining exactly what is an insult (because someone with an agenda could claim that a perfectly harmless word is an insult and things could spin out of control). Trying to get the entire population into becoming good non-bigoted folks may be ultimately futile, but what if we could at least do so to the "Ones Who Matter"? (aka people with power) If we could somehow take away power from bigoted politicians (and keep bigots from becoming politicians in the first place) then that would not only make the country (and perhaps the world in general) a better place, but it would send a message to the average joe bigots that if they want to have power themselves then they better see the error of their ways and let go of their bigoted ideals (including insults). Of course, barring a major revolution, this is only a pipe-dream, but it's still something to gradually work towards.

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Well, I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree then. I refuse to use the r-word. I mean, what's the point of that word when you can just say "stupid" instead? As far as people never insulting each other being a "false utopian ideal", maybe you are correct but not even trying isn't going to help either. Personally, I think that if people were properly punished every time they insulted someone they would eventually stop. Of course, there are some flaws with that idea such as violating 1st amendment rights (though I personally don't think insults should be covered by the 1st amendment) and defining exactly what is an insult (because someone with an agenda could claim that a perfectly harmless word is an insult and things could spin out of control). Trying to get the entire population into becoming good non-bigoted folks may be ultimately futile, but what if we could at least do so to the "Ones Who Matter"? (aka people with power) If we could somehow take away power from bigoted politicians (and keep bigots from becoming politicians in the first place) then that would not only make the country (and perhaps the world in general) a better place, but it would send a message to the average joe bigots that if they want to have power themselves then they better see the error of their ways and let go of their bigoted ideals (including insults). Of course, barring a major revolution, this is only a pipe-dream, but it's still something to gradually work towards.



Yes, Freedom of Speech is an important thing.

"Bigoted" means something other than what you think it means. It means exactly what you are trying to accomplish, actually--intolerance.

Saying "retard" is not "intolerance." Trying to get the word banned by "Ones with Power," that's "intolerance."

People seem to love the word "bigot" nowadays without knowing what it actually means. They usually define it as "someone whos' ideals I don't agree with." It's sad.
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Speedy Gonzales was also banned for awhile, until the Latins got together and said Speedy was great and an Icon.


Because they don't needlessly push the butt-hurt into future generations.
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Yes, Freedom of Speech is an important thing.

"Bigoted" means something other than what you think it means. It means exactly what you are trying to accomplish, actually--intolerance.

Saying "retard" is not "intolerance." Trying to get the word banned by "Ones with Power," that's "intolerance."

People seem to love the word "bigot" nowadays without knowing what it actually means. They usually define it as "someone whos' ideals I don't agree with." It's sad.


Yeah, it's kind of retarded.
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