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NEW POLICY ABOUT SHOW ANTICIPATION AND DISCUSSION THREADS
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stark700 wrote:

I can only agree about the sub-boards once we see results but in my opinion, I don't think it will work in the long run except for very popular series. Quite frankly, the only sub-boards I've ever visited was Naruto and Bleach in the past (not recently though).

The main part is the judgement that doesn't make this new system flexible. Anticipation topics were fine honestly as long as the OP kept in pace with news. It also gives a nice insight for newcomers to discuss anticipating content such as staff, cast, visuals, PV, etc. Spoilerish topics can be labeled with spoilers appropriately and to be honest, it would also carry over to a regular discussion topic in the long run. (Ex. SnK, Fate, etc)



The only way I could see it working is if you made a subforum specifically for discussions of currently airing episodes because I think there is enough draw for that. But the thing is, people would have to find it and I'm sure most of us have tuned out the useless tabs up there by now.

FWIW, I don't think making more threads on the same topic has ever simplified anything and I'm not sure how that would be less work to maintain. Just seems like more people would post in the wrong threads or give up and start their own new duplicate threads.

Plus, I like the summary page as the OP that you make for series threads, stark. The pertinent details for a series are always at the beginning of the discussion thread and I find that useful. If the anticipation thread doesn't turn into the discussion thread then that page will disappear not to mention any other important info about the series (as you discussed above) that might have come up in the conversation prior to the show airing.
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Question.

Are webpage designers going to be involved with the new policy?


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AnimeKami wrote:

Question.

Are webpage designers going to be involved with the new policy?


Answer.

No.

At least not the new policy I announced.

It is interesting to see folks bring up the individual show subforums and the "tabs" above the Anime forum though.

Right now those tabs do go to show subforums, and there used to be more tabs, but we had them removed because they didn't seem to serve much purpose, and the shows featured were no longer very popular. Someone did decide to keep those four there, presumably because they were the more active subforums, and keeping them there probably does help them stay a little bit more active than some others. I get the impression that what is listed there isn't easily automated though, and even it were, having "tabs" for all the current season Crunchy shows seems a little impractical -- right now that would mean 50 tabs!

I'm not sure what would drive more traffic to or awareness of the subforums that would make them the preferred place for show discussion and actually get used. I wonder how many people know you can get to some of them from the forum page -- it's the "By Series" menu item:



Unfortunately, as currently set up, even clicking "more" gives a list only 30 items long. Perhaps if that could be changed to list more/all shows, and a more prominent (and better labeled) link to the "By Series" page were positioned near the Anime forum....?

I remember when I first started using the forums (before I was a mod) it seemed there was more of an effort by mods to encourage use of the subforums -- for example, someone kept moving the Chihayafuru thread to its subforum, but folks kept asking to get it put back in the Anime forum (where there were in fact other show discussion threads.)

Even when I started as a mod we were told that miscellaneous Naruto threads should get moved to the Naruto/Naruto Shippuden subforums. Maybe at one time that was necessary to avoid having Anime overrun by those threads, but by that time not that many actually came up, and we then, under Bjaker's guidance, changed policy to be less restrictive in general about what went in the Anime forum and what was counted as "duplicate."

I also remember when I was first discovering shows I'd go to the show pages and click on the forum link there -- only to be disappointed most of the time by a completely (or mostly) empty show subforum.

Here's what I think. Basically, and partly because of, the direct links to threads on Crunchy's home page, most people interested in the forums do land more easily in General Discussion or Anime. It seems to be the more natural place for folks to gather and therefore became central place for specific show threads alongside the more general anime-related threads.
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Posted 10/19/15 , edited 10/19/15

AnimeKami wrote:

This is a fine idea.


I blame Stark. "LAWL"


stark700 wrote:

This should be considered in the future.


You practically made the community post-purge era.

I think I know what you are referring to in some instances. I thought that your roll was quite engaging and such; it at least shows life. Seeing guidelines like these reminds me of the old days when mods do them out of convenience and such; there was an idea of merging threads to avoid "similar" threads, i.e. "who's your favorite blue hair character?" and "who's your favorite pink hair character?" into "what's your favorite character with a certain color of hair?". Usually the outcome is reduced engagement and traffic because the rule is so specific and niche that an onlooker, non-regular, will be turned off by someone "pointing" them to that direction.

Well, let's see. I hope you continue to engage the audience here in your own way and finding it in this constraints.


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Let Stark continue his trend!


See first comment. "LAWL"
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Posted 10/19/15 , edited 10/19/15

lorreen wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

Question.

Are webpage designers going to be involved with the new policy?


Answer.

No.

At least not the new policy I announced.



Physical forum manipulation cannot be done by users, then. Is this new policy trying to be more user dependent and moderator independent?

With or without a new policy the increased number of threads lumped into "anime," because a thread is anime related, will simply increase without addressing the problems stated in the opening post. The cause is the forum's html/php remains the same, only an increase (potentially higher increase at that) of the number of threads created.

Since the "anticipation" thread can be started any time before the show airs, there is no foreseeable difference between the new system and the current system. What I foreshadow is that, there could be potential for less spoilers.



You have no idea what I said yesterday. It was deleted. Good laugh though.
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AnimeKami wrote:

You have no idea what I said yesterday. It was deleted. Good laugh though.


I want to hear. I want a good laugh.

I haven't posted here in a while, and I see the pitchforks at Stark. Stark. The most lovable negron on this site. The dude who pretty much help this community grow these past couple of years. The hardest working engager-er on this Anime section. Man. This surely a big deuce. I'm befuddled at this.

Is this what it has come to when there's no conflict? Make conflict. Damn. I thought that this place finally gelled with the newer flexible rules and certain threads not being shutdown anymore. I mean damn. "LAWL"


Also, sub-sections, at least for crunchyroll, is garbage. There are a lot of reasons why they are empty, and there are a lot of reasons why they will keep empty.
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AnimeKami wrote:

You have no idea what I said yesterday. It was deleted. Good laugh though.


I want to hear. I want a good laugh.

I haven't posted here in a while, and I see the pitchforks at Stark. Stark. The most lovable negron on this site. The dude who pretty much help this community grow these past couple of years. The hardest working engager-er on this Anime section. Man. This surely a big deuce. I'm befuddled at this.

Is this what it has come to when there's no conflict? Make conflict. Damn. I thought that this place finally gelled with the newer flexible rules and certain threads not being shutdown anymore. I mean damn. "LAWL"


Also, sub-sections, at least for crunchyroll, is garbage. There are a lot of reasons why they are empty, and there are a lot of reasons why they will keep empty.


Not sure if I can disclose the information here.
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Posted 10/19/15 , edited 10/19/15

AnimeKami wrote:

Not sure if I can disclose the information here.


Man. That would've been fun.

Also, maybe this place needs a bit more toxicity so that good guys like Stark don't get targeted. "LAWL"

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Seriously, the hell.
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Since I do The Greenlight Anime I rethought this very carefully !

I spent like 3 hours doing adds checking sources tonite I do my heavy tweaks corrections once a week ! It is hard work and confusing at times What's Listed as a show turms out to be a short or OVA ! Or A show is a movie instead ! I put up disclaimers a lot! Dont even think about if it's locked into a season so far ahead / I've seen that change so many times !

So I think a lot of mistakes could be made !

What I am trying to say you get too ahead of final details then the show is a movie or OVA instead! Then what ?

Except maybe for Scott Green / Paul Chapman the CR Staff / Mods are locked into their duties and dont have the time to do so much checking on show infro / stats !

Personally I think the fans have a better grasp of what's going on! There was a few miscues on one fall show !

Now back to the Greenlight Anime thread ! When I first came on that's where all the future shows got listed ! It is being taken care of now ! It is a shame it gets overlooked !

Once a new season thread started then a Show page was created not 2 / 3 saesons ahead !

I use to have fun creating a show page but I get beat out all the time ! KInda of took the fun away.

I stopped doing it because even if you think you typed in a good search the show did not come up you create a Show Discuusion and you get sometimes I thought an attitude reply even if was an accidental oversight so it ruined for me

Maybe There Should Be A Show Limit a person could create 2 to 5 IDK ? Leave some crumbs once in awhile !


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Charlieandthetrollingfactory wrote:

I'm glad this is being introduced. I'm extremely tired of seeing weekly episode discussions being derailed by people who have read/played the original source material. You should however introduce more franchise threads where that discussion can occur. The more certain topics are compartmentalised the easier people will be able to access the specific topic which they are interested in discussing with less confusion and thread de-railing.


I think this should be another topic that should be seperate ! But I wiil comment

I got off the Fate Stay Nite because it wanted to make me puke! It was overkill but readers get annoyed too with unknowing anime only fans!

I do agree spoilers should be used but the it is annoying that anime only viewer gets into dissing a show w / o really knowing what is in the source ! Thats kinda ruins the forums for me too The Anime only Know it Alls !

Like I said I try my hardest to spoil but ther there is also our side of the coin !

Also if the paying members get to watch the Ep they should be able to talk about it ! I have seen non-members post their thoughts a week later and read them too ! So I dont get the amgst!
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FLjerry2011 wrote:

I use to have fun creating a show page but I get beat out all the time ! KInda of took the fun away.

I stopped doing it because even if you think you typed in a good search the show did not come up you create a Show Discuusion and you get sometimes I thought an attitude reply even if was an accidental oversight so it ruined for me

Maybe There Should Be A Show Limit a person could create 2 to 5 IDK ? Leave some crumbs once in awhile !

I think you raise an interesting point. Generally in a forum, the OP of a thread will tend to lurk that thread more than others. I remember engaging in a lot of the discussions in your (and other peoples) threads back in the day. And I honestly don't see a big difference between the ones you used to make, and the ones we've seen recently. They're all functionally identical. But the difference is that more people had a greater stake in them. Which in turn, drove more interest to the anime forums.

I certainly don't think people need post limits in place though since that would be a bit of a draconian rule, and I won't fault someone for making a ton of threads since it is purely a benefit for the community. Hell, I know that I certainly wouldn't want to bother to do all that research leg work! But it's food for thought on why this change might not end up being all that bad.
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I don't remember exactly when CR became much more active for its anime section. Back in 2012, I only remember that SAO and Another being the only topics that generated discussion that actually became engaging with its community. A few of the people there are still around these days. Anticipation threads did not exist back then and I don't believe they appeared until around Fall 2013 which is exactly almost 2 years ago. I remember a few months ago when the months restriction thing was also removed. Honestly, that rule was controversial to the core. There was never rules about anime discussion topics in the first place and everything seemed more natural as people just adapted with it. These new policies goes against that.

Again about the sub-boards, it really is not going to work. Let's be honest here, how many people here actually visit the boards and discuss there? I haven't been to Naruto, Bleach, Attack on Titan, etc in sub boards in a long time. And while the tabs idea might work at first for a few weeks, it will most likely be visited only by regulars. As time goes on, it will eventually lose prestige and be forgotten. I can assure that they will be empty like zendude has mentioned.

As for the spoiler thing, all forums has rules on this. This should be common logic:

If someone sees a spoiler, they should just report it or pm the user (not quote because that would also include the spoiler) and tell them to edit their post or remove it. Or otherwise, they could discuss it in the appropriate board. I didn't visit the Fate boards much either except when news or a new episode came out. Never really had a problem with it there myself but I think it's understandable that some people might have a problem with it.

I strongly support the episode linking idea though. It not only give people the chance to see exactly when a new episode is out but also where a discussion begins especially for some topics that has many posts prior to the first/pre-aired episode. It should also be fairly either to link them (only have to do it once anyways).


zendude wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

This is a fine idea.


I blame Stark. "LAWL"


SUP ZENDUDE, nice to see you around again.

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stark700 wrote:

I don't remember exactly when CR became much more active for its anime section. Back in 2012, I only remember that SAO and Another being the only topics that generated discussion that actually became engaging with its community.


I came in Fall 2012 and I remember pretty much every show was being covered. Granted, there were fewer shows though.

Just a random example: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-777695/blast-of-tempest-discussions And hey, look who's poster number 3 there!

Granted, SAO did suck all the oxygen from the forums for a solid year or so...
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stark700 wrote:

I don't remember exactly when CR became much more active for its anime section. Back in 2012, I only remember that SAO and Another being the only topics that generated discussion that actually became engaging with its community.


I came in Fall 2012 and I remember pretty much every show was being covered. Granted, there were fewer shows though.

Just a random example: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-777695/blast-of-tempest-discussions And hey, look who's poster number 3 there!

Granted, SAO did suck all the oxygen from the forums for a solid year or so...


Oh, I know about topics being covered but just meant that they didn't generate as much as discussion compared to nowadays.
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So, basically....

CHANGE IT BACK OR WE RIOT!

YASHASUIIIIIIIIIIN!!!

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