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He is by far the best candidate I've seen. Personally, I think he could stand to be a little more socialistic, but I am extremely far to the left.

I don't think he will even come close to winning, though. :/


Every poll I've seen has shown Sanders winning the debate by a landslide. The CNN live poll, which I participated in during the debate, had 75% of participants agree he won the overall debate. 59% said he won on foreign policy and 72% said he won on economic policy.

Doubt is natural. Throughout the years, all we've had is the same corrupt politicians with different faces. As a result, it's hard to imagine that someone like him could win. It's clear, however, that his message resonates with the general populace. He's drawn in massive crowds to his speeches and is quickly gaining on Hillary. Overall, I think he really does have a chance of winning the nomination.


Many politicians in the past have looked AMAZING in the polls, but fell flat when nominations or elections came around. Honestly, I don't trust those for the same reason I don't expect to find accurate statistics on social anxiety by asking people on here or other websites. It seems like it tends to attract a certain type of person.

Plus, if he wins the nomination, I don't see him winning the election. In the US, "Socialist" is a pretty bad word. He'll be made out to be the reincarnation of Stalin. I've even heard tons of democrats (the supposed "liberals") say they would never vote for a socialist, talking about how evil it and Communism are.

Do I hope? Yes, dearly. But I can't let myself believe he has a real chance. Maybe in a year I will look like an idiot for saying this; I truly hope so.
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I think there is a lot of unrealistic idealism in what he proposes. Yes; the programs he supports would be a vast improvement for a lot of Americans. However, there is no way we can make the changes necessary to implement them fully.

So if he were elected, even if he were able to get anything through congress, it would be a poor compromise. Just like the ACA, for everything he fixes it would create two new problems.
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Schmooples wrote:

Many politicians in the past have looked AMAZING in the polls, but fell flat when nominations or elections came around. Honestly, I don't trust those for the same reason I don't expect to find accurate statistics on social anxiety by asking people on here or other websites. It seems like it tends to attract a certain type of person.

Plus, if he wins the nomination, I don't see him winning the election. In the US, "Socialist" is a pretty bad word. He'll be made out to be the reincarnation of Stalin. I've even heard tons of democrats (the supposed "liberals") say they would never vote for a socialist, talking about how evil it and Communism are.

Do I hope? Yes, dearly. But I can't let myself believe he has a real chance. Maybe in a year I will look like an idiot for saying this; I truly hope so.


Polls are the best way to judge the current situation, as far as I'm concerned. They may not always be reliable, but they shouldn't be dismissed outright. They're statistical evidence and, while prone to flaw, still give some insight into current opinion in regard to public opinion of the candidate and their campaign. When literally every poll and focus group is stating that Sanders won the debate by a landslide (including ones conducted on right-leaning websites), I think it's hard to dismiss it as inaccurate.

As for your fears about winning the election, I have to admit that I'm somewhat worried about that as well. McCarthyism is alive and well.
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I like him well enough (at least more so than all the other candidates in both parties). Do I think he will win? Probably not, but one can hope. At the very least I hope that Trump and Cruz don't win. As for Hilary, I have mixed feelings about her, though her winning would not be "worst case scenario".
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He is a geriatric insane socialist. While he has identified the problems, his 'solutions' are the same failed policies that got us into this mess in the first place.

First, let's talk about taxes. I like how Bernie on that issues website you linked has an infographic talking about how few children in poverty there in Norway. So obviously his solution is to raise taxes. But the funny part is...Norway has lower taxes than the USA! Across the board! In fact part of the problem the USA has such a growing income disparity is because our tax system rides the short bus. It is convoluted and despair inducing. What a sane person should do is simplify it and lower taxes. This will encourage more investment and economic growth. Instead of Bernie's plan which is to proverbially beat the economy with a 2x4.

Next, let's talk about the minimum wage. Bernie is going to make your boss pay you $15 an hour. That sounds sweet, right? But he is also going to make that clerk that takes your order at McDonald's be paid $15 an hour. Oh, and the farmhand that grows your food. And the clerk that sells you pants. Guess where the extra money for this is going to come from? From you in the form of higher prices. Bye-bye dollar menu, hello $2.50 menu that you order from a robot because the clerk at McDonald's was let go (by the way, we are also raising your taxes to pay for their unemployment). This is called inflation! And if Bernie's tax 'policy' is also pushed through expect to meet the wonders of stagflation, where prices go up but your real income drops like boulder.

How about college education next. Free college for everyone sounds great, right? The problem with college tuition though is that universities have been offering lavish benefits to their staff and overspending on sports programs. That is why it has been skyrocketing. That needs to be brought into line. Furthermore, with easy credit to get school loans and a system that discourages responsibility kids don't care how much things cost. Then when they get a degree in a field that has no demand they whine and Bernie is listening. Obviously the solution is free college for everybody, whether its in a worthwhile field to a person responsible enough for it or not. This will be like a blank check to the universities to spend even more lavishly. And its not really free. Bernie doesn't have a magical goodies creator. The money will come from your taxes.

The cause for climate change is, despite the endless braying, far from settled. The effects human activity has had on global climate has at best been extremely overstated. Yet despite this, Bernie is going to pursue policies that will pointlessly raise your utility bills so he can have a warm fuzzy feeling sometimes and giggle as China continues being the largest producer of CO2 on Earth.

And I am just getting started.

The problem is...Obama has been pursuing these policies for 8 years. And in this time income inequality has skyrocketed, wages have fallen, employment has fallen, and across the board things have gotten worse. Bernie's solutions are 'more of the same failed policies that have mortgaged our children and grandchildren's futures, dropped our wages, and let tyrants and warmongers run free'.
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I'm wondering why underaged people are messing around in adult games mostly.
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The U.S. has this problem right now where it thinks it needs to choose between fiscal responsibility and the wellness of its citizens.
The right candidate will be able to secure our future and our present at the same time.

In short
I want the president's judgement to be trustworthy.

So I'd like to avoid rushing to conclusions, and make a decision best in accordance with that value.
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:

Polls are the best way to judge the current situation, as far as I'm concerned. They may not always be reliable, but they shouldn't be dismissed outright. They're statistical evidence and, while prone to flaw, still give some insight into current opinion in regard to public opinion of the candidate and their campaign. When literally every poll and focus group is stating that Sanders won the debate by a landslide (including ones conducted on right-leaning websites), I think it's hard to dismiss it as inaccurate.

As for your fears about winning the election, I have to admit that I'm somewhat worried about that as well. McCarthyism is alive and well.


I don't consider them entirely inaccurate. I think he has a pretty sizable following of passionate people, the type who would be very vocal about it. I just don't think that reflects the overall population. Hell, even despite and after the debate, I know quite a lot of people who don't even know who he is. Of course, they are just the other extreme... but I don't really think I have an absolute view, and I accept that I could be wrong on it, just as anybody could. These things are very hard to really gauge.
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I'd like to think that a Socialist would do well.

It's a radical platform, and at the end of the year, he has eight years (four if...unpopular) to introduce said radical...which he'd have to get through other...less liberal ends of the government.

Honestly, I hope he wins. If he does well, then we all win. If not, we can try again in another 4-8 years.

It's a really passive thing for me to say, yes, but the upper echelons have been rally screwy lately...well, for the longest time. It'll take good change with Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches to lower their guns and focus on the larger picture. #FeelTheBern isn't the answer, but he's most certainly a good step in that direction.
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First, let's talk about taxes. I like how Bernie on that issues website you linked has an infographic talking about how few children in poverty there in Norway. So obviously his solution is to raise taxes. But the funny part is...Norway has lower taxes than the USA! Across the board! In fact part of the problem the USA has such a growing income disparity is because our tax system rides the short bus. It is convoluted and despair inducing. What a sane person should do is simplify it and lower taxes. This will encourage more investment and economic growth. Instead of Bernie's plan which is to proverbially beat the economy with a 2x4.


Bernie's plan for funding his programs is taxes on the higher-upper class and to stop supporting the absurd idea of trickle-down economics. When we have 536 billionaires in this country, it's annoying to see people continually insist that his plan is to drive the lower and middle classes into bankruptcy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_US_dollar_billionaires


Next, let's talk about the minimum wage. Bernie is going to make your boss pay you $15 an hour. That sounds sweet, right? But he is also going to make that clerk that takes your order at McDonald's be paid $15 an hour. Oh, and the farmhand that grows your food. And the clerk that sells you pants. Guess where the extra money for this is going to come from? From you in the form of higher prices. Bye-bye dollar menu, hello $2.50 menu that you order from a robot because the clerk at McDonald's was let go (by the way, we are also raising your taxes to pay for their unemployment). This is called inflation! And if Bernie's tax 'policy' is also pushed through expect to meet the wonders of stagflation, where prices go up but your real income drops like boulder.



In January 2014, the community of SeaTac, Washington increased their minimum wage to $15. Since
then, the unemployment rate in SeaTac has dropped from 6.3% in January 2014 to 4.6% in April 2015.
Before the increase, local employers warned that there would be lay-offs and shutdowns as a result;
however, many of these same local business owners have instead seen significant growth and expansion
since the minimum wage was increased.



Specific to the fast food industry, which employs 47% of all minimum wage workers, a University of
Massachusetts-Amherst study concluded that an increase to a $15 minimum wage could be fully
absorbed by the employers without resorting to cuts in employment levels, lowering the average profit
rate, or reallocating funds from other areas of operation.



The National Employment Law Project (NELP) conducted an extensive review of research and studies
related to the impact of a $15 minimum wage. The results showed no negative impact on employment
levels or job growth, but a $15 wage would have a substantially positive impact on the local economy,
as increased earnings result in boosts to consumer spending, and as businesses benefits from reduced
employee turnover and increased productivity and customer satisfaction.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/15-minimum-wage-fact-sheet?inline=file


How about college education next. Free college for everyone sounds great, right? The problem with college tuition though is that universities have been offering lavish benefits to their staff and overspending on sports programs. That is why it has been skyrocketing. That needs to be brought into line. Furthermore, with easy credit to get school loans and a system that discourages responsibility kids don't care how much things cost. Then when they get a degree in a field that has no demand they whine and Bernie is listening. Obviously the solution is free college for everybody, whether its in a worthwhile field to a person responsible enough for it or not. This will be like a blank check to the universities to spend even more lavishly. And its not really free. Bernie doesn't have a magical goodies creator. The money will come from your taxes.


Student loans are one of the most serious issues facing Americans today. The issue doesn't come from people being careless in taking out loans, but needing to take out the loans because they can't afford the price of college admission. Tuition-free colleges would allow people to pursue a higher education regardless of their economic status. Would taxes increase? Yes. However, I'm not buying into your idea that it will skyrocket and everyone will be left bankrupt. Bernie's plan primarily revolves around getting rid of trickle-down economics and ensuring that the super-rich in this country are paying their fair share.


The cause for climate change is, despite the endless braying, far from settled. The effects human activity has had on global climate has at best been extremely overstated. Yet despite this, Bernie is going to pursue policies that will pointlessly raise your utility bills so he can have a warm fuzzy feeling sometimes and giggle as China continues being the largest producer of CO2 on Earth.


Climate change really shouldn't be a partisan issue. Sadly, many politicians on both the left and the right get their campaign funding from corporations and groups that would prefer to dismiss the scale (or even the existence thereof) of climate change.


"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Climate change is a significant issue. If you want evidence of that, look no further than South Carolina.


Parts of South Carolina are vulnerable to sea-level rise, particularly low-lying Charleston and high-growth Myrtle Beach, the report said.

Kirstin Dow, a University of South Carolina professor who helped write the report and who spoke to journalists Tuesday, said today’s flooding in areas such as Charleston are “tomorrow’s high tides.’’

Sea-level rise will continue to threaten the South’s booming coastal tourism industry, while leading to higher-insurance costs for property owners, she said. The projected costs associated with one foot of sea level rise by 2100 nationally are roughly $200 billion, the report said.

“The Southeastern region is exceptionally vulnerable to sea level rise, extreme heat events, and decreased water availability,’’ said Dow, professor of geography at USC and a lead author of the research agenda for the report’s science chapter. “This report reinforces the threat that climate change poses to the natural and built environment, including local economies.”

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article13852676.html

Now what's happening? Oh right. South Carolina is dealing with massive flooding. But that's just a coincidence, right?


The problem is...Obama has been pursuing these policies for 8 years. And in this time income inequality has skyrocketed, wages have fallen, employment has fallen, and across the board things have gotten worse. Bernie's solutions are 'more of the same failed policies that have mortgaged our children and grandchildren's futures, dropped our wages, and let tyrants and warmongers run free'.


Employment has actually risen under the Obama administration.


Under Obama, the economy has added 7.2 million jobs, and the unemployment rate is now lower than the historical median.
The number of job openings is up to its highest point in 14 years, and the number of long-term jobless has now dropped below where it was when Obama took office.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/obamas-numbers-april-2015-update/


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I'm wondering why underaged people are messing around in adult games mostly.


For the same reason that historians study history. It's going to be relevant to understanding our situation in the years to come and how we got there. So, I'm "messing around in adult games" because in three years it'll be my duty as an American citizen to participate in our democratic system and I'd rather not walk into that situation blind to my thoughts on the issues facing our country.

Plus, I just find it to be an interesting subject in general. That's just me though.
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Climate change really shouldn't be a partisan issue. Sadly, many politicians on both the left and the right get their campaign funding from corporations and groups that would prefer to dismiss the scale (or even the existence thereof) of climate change.


I'd be more interested in coming up with a way to live after climate change than prevent it. At this point, it seems like trying to stop a car crash an inch before impact. Maybe I'm wrong, just don't see us changing that much that fast.


Of course, we could always just have a mass culling. Give everyone IQ tests, top 5% of the world gets to live.
Anyone..? Anyone.....?

Dang, I thought is was a good idea.

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I think he seems like a generally nice guy with some good ideas. I would like it if he won but I don't think he will.
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:

Bernie Sanders is my preferred candidate. His policies are sound, he has always stood by his ideals, and unlike countless other candidates he's not funded by a Super-PAC. He's also one of the only two candidates I have seen actually address the HUGE issue of money in politics -- the other being Lawrence Lessig, who plans to do literally nothing else during his presidency.


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I thought he had potential until he essentially endorsed Hillary Clinton. A wimp.


He didn't "endorse" Hillary. All he did was refuse to exploit a frivolous issue to cheaply undermine another candidate.


^ Yes. He did not want to undermine his party. He wants to win, ideally, but he also knows that dividing democrats is a destructive way to go about it. Parties being torn has lost elections for them even when the nation leaned more in the favor of that party. Sanders is being smart. We've seen how the republican party's split has negatively affected the movement of legislation and how polarized the republicans candidates are against each other. He, and other democrats, aim to ensure that even if he cannot get further than the primaries he can at least try and quell too much in-fighting between the dems.
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:
Climate change really shouldn't be a partisan issue. Sadly, many politicians on both the left and the right get their campaign funding from corporations and groups that would prefer to dismiss the scale (or even the existence thereof) of climate change.


I'd be more interested in coming up with a way to live after climate change than prevent it. At this point, it seems like trying to stop a car crash an inch before impact. Maybe I'm wrong, just don't see us changing that much that fast.


Of course, we could always just have a mass culling. Give everyone IQ tests, top 5% of the world gets to live.
Anyone..? Anyone.....?

Dang, I thought is was a good idea.

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