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Posted 10/18/15 , edited 10/18/15
I think most people have a problem with it.... just wondering why it is not illegal yet. (EDIT: Yes I realize that lobbying keeps itself legal, currently, but I posted a way to fix that in this thread. I'm not re-posting it, so read.)

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Posted 10/18/15
It's not illegal because people are lobbying to keep it that way. :/
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Posted 10/18/15 , edited 10/18/15

haikinka wrote:

It's not illegal because people are lobbying to keep it that way. :/


I know... but at the end of the day, we still vote. If we all decided to not REelect anyone until lobbying was fixed, it would get fixed.

Do this at every level of government, in every election. (You'd be surprised how much county commissioners courts actually sign petitions, etc, expressing views on issues. I've seen it quite a bit)

The problem is that we keep voting for the same people, even when their representation isn't making us happy.


There's actually a lot we could get fixed if we voted like this.
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Posted 10/18/15
And that about wraps this up. xD
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Posted 10/18/15 , edited 10/18/15

AsukaAyanami wrote:

And that about wraps this up. xD


I posted about that.
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Posted 10/18/15
it's pretty simple, make the things they are lobbying for unbuyable.

since government can grant favors, it makes lobbying something worth doing.

if they don't have the power, then lobbyists wouldn't bother
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Posted 10/18/15
In other countries, it's called corruption.
Posted 10/18/15 , edited 10/18/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:

I know... but at the end of the day, we still vote. If we all decided to not REelect anyone until lobbying was fixed, it would get fixed.

Do this at every level of government, in every election. (You'd be surprised how much county commissioners courts actually sign petitions, etc, expressing views on issues. I've seen it quite a bit)

The problem is that we keep voting for the same people, even when their representation isn't making us happy.


There's actually a lot we could get fixed if we voted like this.


Except every politician is exactly the same. And I wouldn't put it past these guys to lie about the whole democracy thing.
They have the money, they have the guns, and the population is more than complacent and busy enough.
Nothing's going to change.
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Posted 10/18/15 , edited 10/18/15

haikinka wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:

I know... but at the end of the day, we still vote. If we all decided to not REelect anyone until lobbying was fixed, it would get fixed.

Do this at every level of government, in every election. (You'd be surprised how much county commissioners courts actually sign petitions, etc, expressing views on issues. I've seen it quite a bit)

The problem is that we keep voting for the same people, even when their representation isn't making us happy.


There's actually a lot we could get fixed if we voted like this.


Except every politician is exactly the same.
I understand what you mean, but they also want to stay in power... which means they'll do what they have to if they want to be reelected. If they know that the only way to stay in office is to do what the voters want... they will do it. They may all be the same, but that only means they all want that position as long as possible.


Nothing's going to change.

Can't say I disagree... but I do dream about it. :)

Posted 10/18/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:

but I do dream about it. :)



Me too, me too...
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Posted 10/18/15
If you ban lobbying, you'll just encounter more under the table corruption, I think
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Posted 10/18/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


AsukaAyanami wrote:

And that about wraps this up. xD


I posted about that.


I was too slow. And now I look silly.
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Posted 10/18/15

AsukaAyanami wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


AsukaAyanami wrote:

And that about wraps this up. xD


I posted about that.


I was too slow. And now I look silly. :D


Nah... no worries.

I argued with a wall of stupidity for about 3 hours on here, earlier.... I'm pretty sure I looked pretty silly then, even if I was right.
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Posted 10/18/15
Lobbying could actually be a good thing for some people and causes. I would say that corporations should be restricted from it... but as someone pointed out... it would just go underground. The bad parts are already underground since it would be illegal for the politicians to take money from them for special treatment. They find ways around that now and they would continue to do so.

I would say have a group oversee them... police them... but that group would become very powerful very quickly. The secrets... they would own the government before long. Like they were all scared of Hoover at one time... because he had dirt on most of them. Could try a jury duty mechanic... just everyday citizens... rotate them in and out... but even that wouldn't be perfect.

Send a lobbyist there to lobby for... their raises... they supposedly work for the people... the people should get to vote on whether or not they have done well enough to deserve raises... every 4 years. Who the hell wouldn't vote to give themselves more money? Dumb as hell that they get to vote on their own raises.
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Who the hell wouldn't vote to give themselves more money? Dumb as hell that they get to vote on their own raises.


County commissioners often vote on their own raises.... as well as many other political offices, all the way to the top. And yes, they always give themselves more, even if it means passing over someone who needs and deserves the raise.
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