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Posted 10/21/15 , edited 10/21/15
I personally think tipping should not be mandatory and that restaurants ought to pay their workers the proper wages. Tips should be given to express appreciation for good service.

I don't mind tipping and I always do, but I find tips based on % to be silly. If the waiter/waitress somehow contributed to me selecting a dish, then % tip would make sense. Otherwise, they're just bringing me a dish and it doesn't matter what's on it. I could have just as easily have gotten up to get it myself without offense or complaint.

Automatic gratuity added to the bill is pretty stupid, IMO. That's not gratuity or tip anymore. That's just an extra charge. It turns from a gift into a demand and I'm never inclined to give more. Not to mention it doesn't spur waiters/waitresses to do better if gratuity is included.

I worked at a restaurant before and do understand why waiters and waitresses like the tip system. It allows them to get more money than they would otherwise get with the same skill and effort. I work customer service in a different sector now and the only difference is it's not a restaurant. Tips are rare. This doesn't make much sense. What makes the restaurant setting so unique and special?


Oh, and taxes. I think we should include taxes in the amount on the label and simply inform customers of the tax percentage on their receipt. Would make things a lot easier and many other countries already do this. The purchasers are not nastily surprised by the end cost of their item.

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Posted 10/21/15 , edited 10/21/15
I see it pretty much the same way, though I do live in an area that pays "proper" wages. It should never be automatic, and reserved for exceptional service. Or areas that don't pay a proper wage.
I'd rather tip the chef than the wait staff.
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Posted 10/21/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

Tipping shouldn't be the responsibility of the consumer. Instead, the businesses themselves should pay their waiter. Since they don't, however, you should tip waiters -- assuming you're financially able to, of course.
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It allows for waiters to earn more than they would have gotten while reducing business cost for employing the servers.... or so I have heard. I think it's really weird that customers are responsible for that cost. I don't tip people in retail for their services
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You'll still end up paying the same (or much MORE, since it seems many of you don't pay tips, atm), if they do away with the tipping system. Restaurants have to raise prices to raise wages... so, it'll still hit your pocketbook.

However, I still think that this is a better alternative, considering that so many people go eat and leave no tip. Then, I have to deal with the assumption that I am going to tip poorly because I wear ratty clothes, so I get bad service. I don't go out to eat without factoring in at least an 18% tip, though, albeit very rarely.

I currently tip 15% for meh service, 18% if they did their jobs.... then after that I pretty much wing it depending on how awesome they were.
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I've worked in the industry and know what most waitresses go through.

I try to tip generously, when I can.
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Yeah, I've done restaurant work before as well. I was paid less than $3 hourly and everything else was tips. Seems like the restaurant needs to pick up on that since it makes no sense. A dish that costs $15 only cost the restaurant perhaps $2-$3 to make. Salads are like $12 and cost like $1 or less of veggies and dressing. An alcoholic beverage that would've cost me $15 a bottle is going for $12 per glass. A shot of liquor is like $6 during happy hour and you can easily pour over a dozen shots from a bottle that costs $25 at the store and it never goes bad. And they really don't have money to pay their workers properly?

Sounds like the top just wants more money to me. And they're used to this in the restaurant industry by now so it'll be hard to change.

I don't eat out if I can't tip and I try to avoid eating out when I can but, still.

To reduce expenses, have fewer people on shifts during slow hours and days, have a salaried manager helping out, teach staff to reduce utility and material waste, establish a daily checklist for quicker and more consistent maintenence, watch the overtime, and make sure to take feedback seriously.
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I tip up and over in small mom/pop establishments because they are a small operations; plus, I tend to get a more personalized service there. I absolutely love it when tipping isn't expected because that's when I tip the best.

For things like Applebees and such, which I try to avoid if I can help it, I skip on the tipping out of principle with the exception of stellar up and over service, which isn't too too too often.

As for not including the tax on the food price, I'm indifferent about it. I'm used to the tax anyways, so yeah.
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I tip generously, since the servers aren't to blame for the system, but the entire practice is entirely idiotic for multiple reasons.

It's been shown that a vast majority of people only deviate from their regular tip amount if the service was either extremely good or extremely bad. A system based on tipping doesn't really incentivize good service - it only encourages servers not to be extremely bad.

As Morbidhanson points out, there is considerable markup for items at restaurants. A lot of this goes to the paycheck of those at the top, a decent amount is profit - very little is actually food costs or serving staff pay. A slight reduction in profit percentages or pay for those at the top would result in serving staff getting paid the proper amount - a decent, stable wage.

In many areas today, tipping is unheard of or even insulting. In many of those areas, too, restaurants are overall less expensive than US counterparts. Doing away with tipping and giving servers a proper wage would not make restaurants too costly, unless businesses decide to hide behind the change as an excuse to make more money - which happens pretty frequently.

Having a tipping system only really results in undue stress for servers and costumers. It is a horrible, horrible system that benefits only those at the top.
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Schmooples wrote:

I tip generously, since the servers aren't to blame for the system, but the entire practice is entirely idiotic for multiple reasons.

It's been shown that a vast majority of people only deviate from their regular tip amount if the service was either extremely good or extremely bad. A system based on tipping doesn't really incentivize good service - it only encourages servers not to be extremely bad.

As Morbidhanson points out, there is considerable markup for items at restaurants. A lot of this goes to the paycheck of those at the top, a decent amount is profit - very little is actually food costs or serving staff pay. A slight reduction in profit percentages or pay for those at the top would result in serving staff getting paid the proper amount - a decent, stable wage.

In many areas today, tipping is unheard of or even insulting. In many of those areas, too, restaurants are overall less expensive than US counterparts. Doing away with tipping and giving servers a proper wage would not make restaurants too costly, unless businesses decide to hide behind the change as an excuse to make more money - which happens pretty frequently.

Having a tipping system only really results in undue stress for servers and costumers. It is a horrible, horrible system that benefits only those at the top.


Agreed. I find it strangely disgusting when I hear about wait staff continuously complaining about a lousy tip, as though they are entitled to tip. They no longer think that the customers are tipping out of good will and that the employer (restaurant) is underpaying them when it comes to base wages. Even if they only serve four people in one hour and receive $2 from each, they are still getting higher pay than other workers in other customer service sectors who are working just as hard, if not harder. And if someone is nice and gives a $20 tip, that's like $24~ and that would have been three hours of minimum wage work a couple of years ago. Why, exactly, should we tip more in restaurants and more frequently when other workers in other service sectors use just as much, if not more, skill and effort?

Yes, we know restaurants underpay, but does that burden us with a moral obligation to make up for this, let alone consider it standard, acceptable business practice? It sounds cold, but it's like saying it's unacceptable to not donate to the poor. If the restaurant is a church, then the tip is a tithe. Even then, not providing tithes and offerings doesn't seem nearly as offensive as declining to tip. The burden should not be on the customer. And it should certainly not be on the server. It should be on the restaurant.

Some servers like it and defend it merely because they get more money this way, but this is unacceptable. It allows the establishments to continue their awful practices and it doesn't take into consideration the thoughts of the customers that keep the business afloat. This is irresponsible greed on the part of the wait staff and the restaurants are obviously okay with this since they save money.
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Posted 10/21/15
I will go as far as to say I know how much most waiters in a decent sized town make around here. Around here, with tips, it is well above minimum wage. I don't feel bad for them, even if the system should be changed.

I know people who have gone from skilled labor back to waiting tables, because they made more...

However, I also realize that this is probably uncommon in other places. My little part of the world is a bit different, the cost of living is pretty low, and the wages are not great across the board. Tips just make more money.
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I always tip well, at least 20% for any personal service. Would feel like a jerk if I didn't. I was just raised that way. It would be nice if everyone was paid well enough that it wasn't needed/expected, but that's not reality here.
Posted 10/21/15 , edited 10/21/15
They call one part the bill, the other part the tip, and make the tip part mandatory, just so that they can serve you expensive food that appears cheap on the bill? Couldn't you just pay more for the food, and make the manager pay the waiter a proper steady income that doesn't leave them mentally exhausted from worrying about whether they will have enough money for rent and food next month or not? It's little things like this that improves your people's living standards a.k.a. welfare a.k.a. happiness. You could just cut the shit, America.
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if i'm eating alone, i tip 30% on a bad day and up to 50% on a good one
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