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Hey is it in any way illegal or am I comitting a theft or any immoral act towards anybody by bypassing regional restrictions? (And by theft I mean towards crunchyroll or the anime makers etc)
Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15
I'm not sure what -beep- is, but using vpns and such to access content restricted in your Cr is yes illegal. You might as well pirate.
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Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15
Ignoring the part where you are violating the user agreement with Crunchyroll by using this;

You're using a tool which bypasses the restrictions Crunchyroll has to put on some of their titles.
These restrictions are not because Crunchyroll does not want you to see them, but imposed because there might be a local company which has acquired the rights for these specific titles and does not want a competing service to broadcast this.

So yes, in effect you are commiting a form of theft. Albeit not from CR nor the main creator of the series.

Apart from that, as I do see potential in a discussion about this I took the liberty to change some parts.
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George_z wrote:

Ignoring the part where you are violating the user agreement with Crunchyroll by using this;

You're using a tool which bypasses the restrictions Crunchyroll has to put on some of their titles.
These restrictions are not because Crunchyroll does not want you to see them, but imposed because there might be a local company which has acquired the rights for specific titles and does not want a competing service to broadcast this.

So yes, in effect you are commiting a form of theft. Albeit not from CR nor the main creator of the series.

Apart from that, as I do see potential in a discussion about this I took the liberty to change some parts.


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George_z wrote:

Ignoring the part where you are violating the user agreement with Crunchyroll by using this;

You're using a tool which bypasses the restrictions Crunchyroll has to put on some of their titles.
These restrictions are not because Crunchyroll does not want you to see them, but imposed because there might be a local company which has acquired the rights for these specific titles and does not want a competing service to broadcast this.

So yes, in effect you are commiting a form of theft. Albeit not from CR nor the main creator of the series.

Apart from that, as I do see potential in a discussion about this I took the liberty to change some parts.


THIS is never the case..
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Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15
Illegal: Yes
Immoral: not so sure.

If I'm paying for a subscription, should my physical location matter?
(And the OP is paying for the content.)
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granted it is a form of theft, but still I can understand the argument that it is preferable to use a VPN or something than to simply pirate; even if you are 'stealing' from another licencor by using a VPN to watch on CR for example, at least you are still supporting the industry, whereas pirating supports... the moderators of the pirate sites? if anyone?
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Personally I'm not going to support a show or a website that isn't available in my region. I would rather not support the industry at all if it wants to stop me from paying for their content with these artificial regional restrictions. I understand if they can't bring the physical copies here for some reason but this stuff is just BS.
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Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15

ComboChrist wrote:
THIS is never the case..


Elaborate please, because I can name a few examples myself backing this. Especially taking your country in consideration.
One of those being the Switzerland based company Viewster, which has a lot of legal anime streaming content available for European countries. Also titles that CR has, but are not availabe to us through CR.
Germany is also one of the two lead countries in Europe when it comes to local companies licensing and releasing anime, which also as far as I know has several of their own streaming channels these days apart from actual television broadcasting rights.


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Posted 10/22/15

George_z wrote:


ComboChrist wrote:
THIS is never the case..


Elaborate please, because I can name a few examples myself backing this. Especially taking your country in consideration.
One of those being the Switzerland based company Viewster, which has a lot of legal anime streaming content available for European countries. Also titles that CR has, but are not availabe to us through CR.
Germany is also one of the two lead countries in Europe when it comes to local companies licensing and releasing anime, which also as far as I know has several of their own streaming channels these days apart from actual television broadcasting rights.


This is often the case but there are times when shows just seem to fall through the cracks. 2 examples from this season alone are Comet Lucifer and Owarimonogatari, both are in CR and not available anywhere. Even Viewster decided to get Comet Lucifer only for UK and Ireland.
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Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15
Most of the Monogatari series is licenced immediately by MVM Entertainment UK and by Dybex in France.
Comet Lucifer was picked up almost immediately by the British based Anime Limited, which allowed Viewster to stream it in those regions.
Not sure which other European company picked that one up, but likely either Dybex or Kaze.
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George_z wrote:


ComboChrist wrote:
THIS is never the case..


Elaborate please, because I can name a few examples myself backing this. Especially taking your country in consideration.
One of those being the Switzerland based company Viewster, which has a lot of legal anime streaming content available for European countries. Also titles that CR has, but are not availabe to us through CR.
Germany is also one of the two lead countries in Europe when it comes to local companies licensing and releasing anime, which also as far as I know has several of their own streaming channels these days apart from actual television broadcasting rights.




The prices in germany are pretty ridiculous though. I speak english perfectly fine. I am fine with an english product. Forcing me to pay a ton of extra money because somebody thought they need to make a german version (= price higher because it needs extra translation and has a smaller market to sell to) isn't exactly nice. Also the availability is quite often slower than in the english speaking world and split among a ton of different services.

I have a ton of anime on dvds. Nearly all are english releases imported from the UK, some even from the US. They cost a fraction of what the german releases cost. For the US DVDs it needs a bit of hacking the DVD player to circumvent the region restriction of the DVD. And even on those UK DVDs some have info prints: "Only meant for sale in the UK". I guess amazon doesn't care about such demands that somebody printed on the DVDs.

The reason for that is that legally speaking region restrictions are not protected by law in the same way as copyright. You break the TOS of the service you're using. That's not nice, but not the same as breaking copyright laws. Especially when you consider that in cases like netflix or crunchyroll you're actually paying them either way.
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Posted 10/22/15 , edited 10/22/15

George_z wrote:

Most of the Monogatari series is licenced immediately by MVM Entertainment UK and by Dybex in France.
Comet Lucifer was picked up almost immediately by the British based Anime Limited, which allowed Viewster to stream it in those regions.
Not sure which other European company picked that one up, but likely either Dybex or Kaze.


Maybe I don't know how licensing works but I'm pretty sure that CR could still technically get those titles in the rest of Europe. I simply can't believe that there could be a local company in every country that CR ignored with those titles.The reason for the lack of availability must be something else. Or is Europe just not worth it after the bigger countries are out?

EDIT: since this went a little off-topic I'm just going to add that I don't think there's any legal or moral problems with bypassing regional restrictions. Breaking the ToS can get you banned though.
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Posted 10/22/15

George_z wrote:


ComboChrist wrote:
THIS is never the case..


Elaborate please, because I can name a few examples myself backing this. Especially taking your country in consideration.
One of those being the Switzerland based company Viewster, which has a lot of legal anime streaming content available for European countries. Also titles that CR has, but are not availabe to us through CR.
Germany is also one of the two lead countries in Europe when it comes to local companies licensing and releasing anime, which also as far as I know has several of their own streaming channels these days apart from actual television broadcasting rights.




There are a few exceptions. True dat. But most of the stuff I would be interested in isn't avalaible in Germany. Neither on disc or stream. And as other already stated; the prices for Animes are a joke IF something gets a release (again, there are exceptions).
And the stuff on TV is dubbed Mainstream-BS. Won't even bother trying that option.. *shrugs*

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Posted 10/22/15

jabulani1 wrote:

Hey is it in any way illegal or am I comitting a theft or any immoral act towards anybody by bypassing regional restrictions? (And by theft I mean towards crunchyroll or the anime makers etc)


WEll you are breaking the terms of service that you agreed to once signing up... Not that anyone cares. And it's not illegal to bypass, content owners and licensors just don't like it
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