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Posted 10/23/15

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English is weird that way,
In Spanish we only use "mujer".


Is there no scientific version of "mujer" when referring to a female organism that is not human?


from what i remember, certain organisms can spontaneously change sex so the term "female" is not well defined.

also, @HuastecoOtaku
girl = chica / niña
women = mujer

you don't refer to a 10 year old kid as "mujer"


I'm sure he's aware of that. Just as you should be aware that he was talking about the female/woman terms, not girls.
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Posted 10/23/15

namealreadytaken wrote:


Kikiest wrote:


HuastecoOtaku wrote:

English is weird that way,
In Spanish we only use "mujer".


Is there no scientific version of "mujer" when referring to a female organism that is not human?


from what i remember, certain organisms can spontaneously change sex so the term "female" is not well defined.

also, @HuastecoOtaku
girl = chica
women = mujer

you don't refer to a 10 year old kid as "mujer"


I think you are correct, the term "female" is not well defined enough and that is why I have come to these conclusions and having these thoughts because I am unsure of how other people are trying to use the word female. Because yes a female vs a woman has to do with having two X chromosomes and being able to reproduce or become a woman at whatever age, but it doesn't mean that to everyone.
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If I am talking to someone, depending on their maturity, they're either going to get called a woman or a girl. If I'm discussing something on a forum that calls for the female term to be used, then I would.

Of course then there's always derogatory terms we can use if needed...


I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.
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I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


It's slightly derogatory the way it's used sometimes, but for the most part it's just a fad. For example someone will say 'where all the females at?' without meaning any harm its just a more modern way to say 'where the ladies/ women at?' It really depends on the tone with which they say it in other settings to determine whether or not its meant to be hurtful. This is just my personal opinion though so don't quote me on it.
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If I am talking to someone, depending on their maturity, they're either going to get called a woman or a girl. If I'm discussing something on a forum that calls for the female term to be used, then I would.

Of course then there's always derogatory terms we can use if needed...


I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


I would say that yes, it can, but it would depend on who is saying it and the context in which it is said. Of course, how someone on the receiving end takes it will vary. Though, I highly doubt you will hear someone go around using female as a substitute for bitch. If you did it would probably be said in jest/sarcasm and air quotes I'd imagine. Of course, it also doesn't make it any less derogatory.
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Kikiest wrote:

I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


I think you may be, dear. I think you may also be discounting the value of a good, well-timed use of the word "bitch".
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I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


It's slightly derogatory the way it's used sometimes, but for the most part it's just a fad. For example someone will say 'where all the females at?' without meaning any harm its just a more modern way to say 'where the ladies/ women at?' It really depends on the tone with which they say it in other settings to determine whether or not its meant to be hurtful. This is just my personal opinion though so don't quote me on it.


Hm, yes that makes a lot of sense. It really does depend on the tone like you said.
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Kikiest wrote:

I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


I think you may be, dear. I think you may also be discounting the value of a good, well-timed use of the word "bitch".


Hahah, I am a very relaxed person and have never called anyone a bitch in my life. There are plenty of other words to be used~(●ゝ▽・●)
But I do understand what you are saying.
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If I am talking to someone, depending on their maturity, they're either going to get called a woman or a girl. If I'm discussing something on a forum that calls for the female term to be used, then I would.

Of course then there's always derogatory terms we can use if needed...


I have a question for you about what you think of derogatory terms. A bitch used to mean a female dog and now it is used as a derogatory term for women. This directly relates to what I was talking about with saying female vs woman. So, my question is do you think it is possible in some cases that the word "female" is used as a lighter version of "bitch" because they could mean the same thing? A female dog, and a bitch. Same thing. A female human(woman) and a bitch(can mean the same thing). Maybe I am thinking to deeply about this.


I would say that yes, it can, but it would depend on who is saying it and the context in which it is said. Of course, how someone on the receiving end takes it will vary. Though, I highly doubt you will hear someone go around using female as a substitute for bitch. If you did it would probably be said in jest/sarcasm and air quotes I'd imagine. Of course, it also doesn't make it any less derogatory.


Yes, you make good points there. Thank you for your input~
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Hahah, I am a very relaxed person and have never called anyone a bitch in my life. There are plenty of other words to be used~(●ゝ▽・●)


There are such words, and there's a time to appear the astute, calm, rational individual. Nevertheless, there are other occasions that call for the verbal equivalent to a punch to the face. These are the occasions upon which to employ vulgarities. Well, those and moments where such words' use would be amusing.


But I do understand what you are saying.


I am glad of it.
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Hahah, I am a very relaxed person and have never called anyone a bitch in my life. There are plenty of other words to be used~(●ゝ▽・●)
But I do understand what you are saying.


I'll direct a question at you now. There are plenty of other words that can be used for tons of things these days. With that in mind, does it really make any difference at all? The implied insult would still be there after all. The question is aside from legal doings or social mores.
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I almost always use the terms guy(s) and girl(s) rather than man/woman or male/female... Am I in the minority here?

Sometimes I even use the term guy(s) when talking about girls. (That, I'll admit is a little weird though)

I've always felt that man/woman and male/female emphasize the gender too much and I feel awkward when I use them.
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It's the education system. It gets more and more tuned to scientific and engineering stuff, that this is the natural outcome. People start treating everything in an analytical light.


Which I don't like, because that makes us more and more politically correct. And this is coming from a law student.
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It's the education system. It gets more and more tuned to scientific and engineering stuff, that this is the natural outcome. People start treating everything in an analytical light.


Which I don't like, because that makes us more and more politically correct. And this is coming from a law student.


I would hear more, if you'll offer.
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Kikiest

Hahah, I am a very relaxed person and have never called anyone a bitch in my life. There are plenty of other words to be used~(●ゝ▽・●)
But I do understand what you are saying.


I'll direct a question at you now. There are plenty of other words that can be used for tons of things these days. With that in mind, does it really make any difference at all? The implied insult would still be there after all. The question is aside from legal doings or social mores.


Ah yes, I really said that as more of a joke. I'm not good at those. But that being said, in my mind they do not necessarily make a difference unless you know the origin behind the word which I do not know all of them and am highly interested in learning them. I myself prefer to not use any derogatory terms towards anyone. I think it is ridiculous to have to resort to "name calling" when upset with someone. That's what you do in elementary school and it's just rude. If you're going to get in an argument or a fight I would prefer to have it without calling each other names because when most people are mad they are not thinking rationally. At that point, it's time to sit down, relax and just take a break from each other. Of course, I have slipped up before, I am only human but I regretted it later and apologize for it. I'm not sure how well I'm explaining this so I'll use another example. If you're going to hate someone, hate them for a good reason and don't start bringing every aspect about them into the mix just because you hate them. Let's say you hate someone because they were really rude to you, okay...cool. There is no need to drag it out further and hate them because you don't like their hair or they "dress weird". At that point you are just blinded by hate. Sorry for this long explanation.
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