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alucard396 wrote:Ik but I would like to live there and I rather have the light novels then go read them on a site and collect them


gotta catch 'em all! pokemon light novel
that's an interesting goal...
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Already learned Japanese fluently. Worked as a translator for a few years many years ago for Latin American Spanish but decided to start learning Japanese to support my love for anime. Never been a fan of dubs. I've left that type of work long since to pursue my love for the IT field but still use it to this day.

To name a few reasons to learn it:

Watch anime as it was intended and never miss out on material. A lot of anime/manga/novels never get released in English or other dominant languages so knowing Japanese will ensure you don't miss out.

Translate if you want. Be it for pay or just because.

If you plan on visiting Japan it will be extremely useful to know the language. Depending on where in Japan you visit it wouldn't hurt to learn the dialect.

Knowing the language will allow you to enjoy content faster than someone who doesn't know the language since sub/dub versions come out later on.
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For one I would like to the visit the country one day and then second is for anime/manga reasons
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Yeah fair points. I was using self teaching software for a little while, a long time ago.
I was planning to go to classes at the beginning of the year. I googled and found several different classes and i looked into the times and class sizes and costs, etc
But i didn't go through with becasue i start work so dam early. I mean that gives me lots of time after work to do such things but iam always so dam tired and sort of used that as an excuse i guess..
And then i missed the start of the term and then i just spent my money on other stuff..
I should do it next year. just need to go to bed earlier..

If you don't mind a suggestion, I'd recommend Rosetta Stone.
If you look at reviews and such and see the negativity around it, remember to pay more attention to what causes most of the hate surrounding it.

For one, most reviews will state that it is, in fact, good for what it is. However, they'll also say:
It's mostly "glorified" flashcards and a speech recognition program.
You have no teacher to help you with things that you don't immediately understand.
It's too expensive.
It doesn't teach you kanji

For this, I have a few counter arguments which don't disprove what they say (since they are correct), but rather discredit the belief that there are better alternatives to an actual class (because obviously an official Japanese language instruction class can't be replaced by any software); however, I know a family member that learned german from it.
I'll have TL;DR's as spoiler alerts.


It's mostly glorified flashcards and a speech recognition program and you have no teacher to help you understand
This is true. However, you must also realize that they are EXACTLY that. Flashcards, with the information you need to know, in the order you need to know them in. Think about how you learn a language in school (if you took a FL class). You have a lesson (which is incorporated into the flash cards on RS), learn new words, and write down words on flash cards or a sheet of paper with your original language definition next to them. Then you study with rote memorization and exercises until you learn the word, and then you use them continually in tests and among friends to attain fluency.

In RS, you start off learning a few simple words and it speaks to you in sentences with the basic "<subject> wa <direct object> wo <verb> imasu/desu/arimasu." sentence form. It is up to you to take notes on EVERYTHING you notice. After each core lesson, you relearn the core lesson in parts. These parts, however, will focus on the main thing that you are supposed to learn per part. For example, you might have a vocabulary partial lesson that will reuse every panel that uses a new word and each word that you haven't learned yet will now be highlighted. The next partial lesson may be a grammar lesson, and now every particle and word that has to do with the construction of your sentence will be highlighted, etc.

TAKE NOTES as much as possible (and as needed without obviously going overboard with them) and study them. It is a self learning program. This does not mean it will teach you everything in one go, however it contains everything you need to know and can be easily divulged as long as you make an effort. For japanese, I had to keep notes on grammar stored in multiple word pad documents on my computer, make tests so I could redo practice sentences without having to redo an entire lesson, and keep a stack of word (and now a separate stack of kanji) flash cards that I must frequently go through in order to retain the knowledge.

It is literally the same amount of steps as learning in a class, but without guidance, and without the pressure of time.


It doesn't teach you kanji
The longest part of learning those first 3 lessons was going back and learning the kana and redoing the lessons in them. The first time I went through the first 3 units was with romanized text. I decided to switch the text the lessons were written in into hiragana/katakana and decided that I desperately needed to learn it. I bought an indie app on xbox 360 (for 1$) which teaches you hiragana and katakana through a flashcard format. (It even includes mixed kana such as jo/gyu.) After, I learned the kana, I redid the lessons to retain my learning of the kana. After I got through the first 3 units AGAIN, I decided to try my luck with kanji with furigana. Not knowing the kanji, obviously made it impossible to read without furigana, however just seeing literally how much smaller written sentences were with kanji, I immediately realized its purpose and usefulness.

My luck though, I already went through the first 3 units again so I had to start over a third time, this time to go kanji fishing. I made kanji flashcards of the first 3 units and am currently studying them (foregoing my rosetta stone lessons) until I know at least 100 (on my first run through of my flashcards of a day), using that number as an inspiration to learn kanji so that I may continue learning on rosetta stone.


Sorry for the wall of text. Rosetta Stone is very expensive for what it is, but I think it's the next best alternative to learning from a class, which you said you do not have the time for. As long as you keep your self immersed, (I make random sentences using words I know, writing them using a japanese keyboard app on my tablet) you will retain the knowledge. Rosetta Stone is great, because I can take time off of learning lessons to practice kanji when I desperately need to. Not only has it taught me a majority of what I know, it's given me a foundation to learn on and work with. (Meaning I have used the learning techniques you attain from it to learn a fair bit outside of my Rosetta Stone lessons).
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i disagree with Rosetta Stone - it's overpriced, and you can get the same information for free or way cheaper, really. there is a channel on youtube where a native speaker teaches English to the Japanese people - i only saw a couple of her videos, but seem very useful (and yes, she's fluent in both English and Japanese). I can't speak about the accuracy of RS, but in one video, someone complained that RS screwed up the masculine/feminine forms, and that's something worth considering.

about the cost: a single CD costs 100 bucks, and that doesn't even cover the entire RS course
for comparison's sake, you can get the two Genki book (well regarded book that teaches Japanese) for about the same price, except
it covers 2 years worth of Japanese, or about the undergraduate level Japanese (edit: and also comes with listening practice / grammar practice cds + exercises, which is very useful)

edit: keep your self immersed - that's true when learning any language, though i can't say RS is the best way to keep immersed in the language.
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to stop waiting for subs >_> take too dam long sometimes seriously~
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I'll google it. Thanks.
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I need to be able to understand some Doujinshi.
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Indeed
ご注文は塩ですか。it is ordering salt
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alucard396 wrote:
Indeed
ご注文は塩ですか。it is ordering salt


more like, "is the order a salt?" = implies i'm salty = i'm jelly

made that sig after i saw someone getting a UR from a ticket while playing medley in SIF
if you don;t know already, ticket is extremely rare (probably around 1% chance or less), and getting a UR from a ticket is also quite rare (1% chance to be exact). needless to say, the guy was extremely, extremely lucky.
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Nice that's pretty sick
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for anime, manga, light novels, games and may be do some translation.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

To read more eroges.


See this guy knows whats up
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So I can actually close my eyes while watching anime. I would also know a language that most people in my town don't know.
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First of all, my reason is not to be able to watch animes without sub cause it's actually find with me to wait for the subs since I have other things to do and usually watch a lot of ongoing animes.

The reasons why I wanna learn about nihongo is mainly so that I could apply for work and live in Japan easier. They say you can't communicate much in that country with just English dialect cause most japanese people are not that fluent or understands english at all.

Finally, I will apply on a gaming company, whether as a tester, management, or even a translator for Japanese and English languages.
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