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With the launch of YouTube's new PAID subscription service, YouTube RED, many of the Japanese (and other countries) videos are no longer accessible on YouTube in the USA

I run an internet radio station, http://www.animeclassicsradio.moe and I had a page that listed video clips from the new released song videos from the latest anime shows. All the videos were Official production company releases. No screen cap, no AMVs, no DVD rips, etc. But, as of yesterday Google/YouTube has changed the rules for licensing content.

Here is a link that explains thing far better than I can.

http://aramajapan.com/news/youtubes-new-policy-change-affects-american-japanese-music-fans/51582/

This situation pretty much requires content providers to license through the new YouTube RED service for ANY content published on YouTube.

In response, Anime Classics Radio has officially taken ALL links to YouTube videos off our website. I support availability of content to the worldwide population through licensing, but not extortion through a requirement for providers to be held to different licensing terms to one country (USA). And we do not support requiring those customers to pony up money (currently $9.99/month) to access this Officially released content. This is pure greed.

Please spread the word - #StopYouTubeRed

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Posted 10/25/15 , edited 10/25/15
touhou and music videos from Lantis seems to work just fine for me. same with videos from a few utattes i like, such as kiyono (F9)
edit: and i'm in 'murica btw.
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Posted 10/25/15 , edited 10/25/15
I don't know how many Vids are affected; checked 2 vids and they were both working.
Read about YT_red just yesterday and immediately thought that the whole thing would end in a massive fuck-up.
Guess I was right, which isn't a good thing..

Edit; and maybe I've should have read a little more careful. US only. So far. Still sucks.
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What's this gonna mean for MMDs that are set to J-pop tunes (I've actually been addicted to those types of videos lately) and fan made anime videos set to their favorite songs?
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Posted 10/28/15
At least a little good news for US J-Pop/J-Rock fans (and K-Pop fans as well).

It seems a handful of the artists (a dozen to dozen and a half that I've found so far) that are blocked on Youtube are still clear to watch on VEVO's own webpage. Some of the ones I found are LiSA, Kalafina, Eir Aoi, Supercell, Aimer, Egoist, UVERworld, Stereopony, Garnidelia, Vamps, Sawano, Scandal, Babymetal, Hatsune Miku, Sid, Luna Haruna, Kana Nishino, Kylee, Dir En Grey, YUI, and ClariS. I'm sure there are a bunch I missed too.

While some only have a small video sampling (1-5 videos) others have as much as 30-40 videos (YUI, Kana Nishino).

There are many K-Pop acts on there as well but I'm not really familiar with many of them.
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Posted 11/5/15 , edited 11/5/15
Great. Now I have to go to obscure sites in order to get them, as if I didn't already have to do that for most already.
And they wonder why westerners illegally download so much of their shit? Hello, if it takes five extra steps to get it for free on a decent platform, I ain't paying squat. Fuck whoever made this decision, now I can't even jam out to MoMu's Pepper Keibu on YT anymore, which is one of the ONLY streaming mv sites my bad internet can handle without stalling the MV.

Since I'm on my phone I've already had to take up going to obscure viet MP3 sites to get Japanese MP3s streamed because I can't find them on YouTube without pitching or outright blocking anymore. Since I don't have easy access to my other devices right now, I'm forced to rely on my phone.

Japan really has never cared about music accessibility to westerners and will continue to not care as I can see. So I'll keep on taking their overpriced content from what most could claim to be "dubious" sources instead, as long as they have a seamless string of content and accessibility to it! I'm not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at them if they don't care about my consumption at all, and its clear that they don't!
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Also, don't rely on VEVO for jacksquat. They most often put up the "short" PVs which don't contain the actual full song in order to try and sucker you into wasting your money on the CD+ DVD Japanese CDs which are ridiculously expensive. Most if not almost all JP VEVOs do NOT UPLOAD THE FULL VERSIONS. So really I don't think of them as a reliable second source. Since I'll often listen to the music that accompanies the MV as to watching the MV for the visual content, I'm of course in it for the full song. And if there is no full song, it's pretty useless to me. I'll maybe watch an MV once to a few times with the visuals but most of the time will only use it for the music, so "short" MVs are useless.

That of course is only part of the problem. YouTube red is obviously the main problem, aside from the fact that the Japanese are already terrible at providing full content to an international audience because their business model is incredibly stupid and based on the rationality that a bunch of people will be enticed to buy thirty dollar physical singles based on what they see in a one minute and thirty second PV that isn't even the full thing, which is an incredibly stupid strategy when you put into perspective the lack of patience many modern consumers have- quite a lot would rather just illegally obtain it to save the time. Japan needs to put themselves into the twenty first century tbh because Japanese physical sales have plummeted overtime and it's glaringly obvious why, but japan wants people to pay them as much as possible, in a country that's already hella expensive to live in. Sigh. Kpop has found a way to do pretty well in the digital age, while they still sell physical copies, their main seller is in albums, which aren't cheap but still cheaper than the Japanese CDs by a long shot. They make use of international markets and chance putting their stuff in the western iTunes stores, which is a model that japan would be better to follow if they want to actually get some consumers to buy instead of steal, bc of the inaccessibility.

Putting aside the incompetence of the Japanese record industry, YouTube indeed needs to get off their high horse with this new program as well. Companies are going to start transferring to some other video service if they have to strictly switch to YT Red in order for their content to be shown in a certain region, or moreover, for it to be all region. YouTube does not own the rest of the world as a US based company. The US as a whole seems to have a delusion that we as a country are somehow able to manipulate the web as a whole when it's a mass of different systems and sites run by various individuals and groups across the world, not all of which are notably large or powerful countries. Look, America, we don't own the web. Google doesn't own the web either. By that logic, Americans shouldn't be allowed to mandate the jurisdiction as to where these YouTube videos should be shown. I never understood why there was any region blocking on YouTube to begin with, it's censorship and nothing more to me, we live in a diverse world and we should be allowed to embrace the content of users around the world, so why the need for regional restriction. Fuck you, YT.
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Posted 11/9/15 , edited 11/9/15

animegirl2222 wrote:
Most if not almost all JP VEVOs do NOT UPLOAD THE FULL VERSIONS.


Huh? o.o

If it is not full, it is explicitly stated.

Plenty of Japanese Vevos are full versions.
Ex. Supercell, Ayano Mashiro, GARNiDELiA, Kalafina.

Come on, please do a more thorough search. This isn't limited to Vevos, too. The official channels have plenty of full versions, as well as short versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P_B2AC5WJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-o8pTi6vd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOU4YiuaxAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIs2PlD8RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZez82cp4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un9UiVL6Dms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72LDDi2UvwE


based on the rationality that a bunch of people will be enticed to buy thirty dollar physical singles based on what they see in a one minute and thirty second PV that isn't even the full thing,


If the short sample is good, the I'll buy it. If the xfd is good, I'll buy it.

They have no obligation to offer the entire thing up on YT. They shouldn't, too; we're far more likely to YT rip than buy if they posted full versions.

Also, $30 singles? Where are you searching? Singles cost around $12 USD on cdjapan, with shipping bumping that up to $15 USD.
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Posted 11/11/15
A site that I found last night seems to have a lot of Japanese music videos. Check it out and see what you think.

www.jpopsuki.tv
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Posted 11/19/15
They're probably gonna be blocked in the UK too then. Honestly, youtube has gone really downhill. Pretty much everything is blocked on there now
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Japanese CD singles are only twelve bucks initially. Almost any Japanese single seems initially "cheaper", however international shipping and taxes, depending on where you live, are expensive. I've ordered a few. Very few, from CD Japan, and each time they basically charge you a tax for customs duties / general Japanese tax in addition to shipping, which is why the single ends up costing much more than the initial assumed price. That's my experience, at least. Japan has high domestic and, more importantly, export/import taxes. It's not a cheap country to live in and it doesn't make its media very accessible to the dirty roundeyed westerners, which is something I merely deal with by admittedly stealing most of my JP music or getting it through a cheaper source, if I REALLY like an artist (for example, I actually physically own a few Koda Kumi CDs) ala eBay or something similar. Even Amazon charges crazy high prices for items from Japan, except the taxes and whatnot are actually LISTED in the official price. Anyway, singles end up coming around to twenty to thirtysome bucks, cost is going to be on the higher end if you go all out and buy a CD/DVD version especially. The initial listing price is the value of the product before taxes and import fees, from my experience the cd ends up being nearly twice as costly due to ridiculous tax. That's why I tend to either be what a lot of people like to call a "thief" or use obscure MP3 sites for streaming Japanese content on my phone. I'm a musically inclined person who doesn't like being shorted, that's why short MVs bother me, as I said, I'm there for music, and when half the music is missing, that tends to bother me.

The fact is, the Japanese generally don't have very high hopes for catering to an American market in terms of pop and other genres of music, which is why their content is hard to get through any American digital source. Their reliance on physical sales gives them enough gratification, and unlike Korean pop, Japanese pop is not nearly so globally popularized, so the Japanese are quite hesitant to invest in a market where they may just end up losing that dough. At the end of the day it comes down to money, but I truly don't feel like I'm stealing much from them if they give me such limited access to their content in the first place, ergo, morally, I don't see piracy of Japanese music as being a cardinal sin as some people do. Sure, it's morally dubious, but at the same time, I admit; I have little money and can't afford to shell out dollar after dollar of it to pay for my infatuation with many types of music.

The MVs I do watch are for aesthetic value, if they have pretty visuals I might watch them a few times, I find an appeal in art, but i also listen to music far more than I actually watch music videos attached to them nowadays. So once again, I'm in it for music. And when the music is cut off halfway I find it to be unsatisfactory.
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Dagurasu33 wrote:

A site that I found last night seems to have a lot of Japanese music videos. Check it out and see what you think.

www.jpopsuki.tv


It slow, ridiculously slow. AKB48 YT channel is still blocked and I don't know if it's Youtube red that is causing this. Somebody on a AKB48 news site wrote this:


Signed up for red, still blocked. :-(


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animegirl2222 wrote:
Also, don't rely on VEVO for jacksquat. They most often put up the "short" PVs which don't contain the actual full song in order to try and sucker you into wasting your money on the CD+ DVD Japanese CDs which are ridiculously expensive. Most if not almost all JP VEVOs do NOT UPLOAD THE FULL VERSIONS. So really I don't think of them as a reliable second source. Since I'll often listen to the music that accompanies the MV as to watching the MV for the visual content, I'm of course in it for the full song. And if there is no full song, it's pretty useless to me. I'll maybe watch an MV once to a few times with the visuals but most of the time will only use it for the music, so "short" MVs are useless.

That of course is only part of the problem. YouTube red is obviously the main problem, aside from the fact that the Japanese are already terrible at providing full content to an international audience because their business model is incredibly stupid and based on the rationality that a bunch of people will be enticed to buy thirty dollar physical singles based on what they see in a one minute and thirty second PV that isn't even the full thing, which is an incredibly stupid strategy when you put into perspective the lack of patience many modern consumers have- quite a lot would rather just illegally obtain it to save the time. Japan needs to put themselves into the twenty first century tbh because Japanese physical sales have plummeted overtime and it's glaringly obvious why, but japan wants people to pay them as much as possible, in a country that's already hella expensive to live in. Sigh. Kpop has found a way to do pretty well in the digital age, while they still sell physical copies, their main seller is in albums, which aren't cheap but still cheaper than the Japanese CDs by a long shot. They make use of international markets and chance putting their stuff in the western iTunes stores, which is a model that japan would be better to follow if they want to actually get some consumers to buy instead of steal, bc of the inaccessibility.

Japanese CD singles are only twelve bucks initially. Almost any Japanese single seems initially "cheaper", however international shipping and taxes, depending on where you live, are expensive. I've ordered a few. Very few, from CD Japan, and each time they basically charge you a tax for customs duties / general Japanese tax in addition to shipping, which is why the single ends up costing much more than the initial assumed price. That's my experience, at least. Japan has high domestic and, more importantly, export/import taxes. It's not a cheap country to live in and it doesn't make its media very accessible to the dirty roundeyed westerners, which is something I merely deal with by admittedly stealing most of my JP music or getting it through a cheaper source, if I REALLY like an artist (for example, I actually physically own a few Koda Kumi CDs) ala eBay or something similar. Even Amazon charges crazy high prices for items from Japan, except the taxes and whatnot are actually LISTED in the official price. Anyway, singles end up coming around to twenty to thirtysome bucks, cost is going to be on the higher end if you go all out and buy a CD/DVD version especially. The initial listing price is the value of the product before taxes and import fees, from my experience the cd ends up being nearly twice as costly due to ridiculous tax. That's why I tend to either be what a lot of people like to call a "thief" or use obscure MP3 sites for streaming Japanese content on my phone. I'm a musically inclined person who doesn't like being shorted, that's why short MVs bother me, as I said, I'm there for music, and when half the music is missing, that tends to bother me.

The fact is, the Japanese generally don't have very high hopes for catering to an American market in terms of pop and other genres of music, which is why their content is hard to get through any American digital source. Their reliance on physical sales gives them enough gratification, and unlike Korean pop, Japanese pop is not nearly so globally popularized, so the Japanese are quite hesitant to invest in a market where they may just end up losing that dough. At the end of the day it comes down to money, but I truly don't feel like I'm stealing much from them if they give me such limited access to their content in the first place, ergo, morally, I don't see piracy of Japanese music as being a cardinal sin as some people do. Sure, it's morally dubious, but at the same time, I admit; I have little money and can't afford to shell out dollar after dollar of it to pay for my infatuation with many types of music.


Indeed that's the thing that pissed off many fans of J-pop/J-music and I can probably see why many would quit the genre and become K-pop fans. I mean the accessibility for J-pop/J-music has become almost impossible and also ridiculously expensive despite the weakened yen. You can't even buy J-pop on US Itunes when I'm able to get a lot of K-pop for a good price. This is why K-pop is winning more global fans and J-pop/J-music is losing more fans around the world and switching to K-pop.

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en.musicplayon.com is MUCH better than the one I posted previously! I had forgotten about this post, otherwise I would have updated sooner.
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en.musicplayon.com is MUCH better than the one I posted previously! I had forgotten about this post, otherwise I would have updated sooner.


Yeah that one work better, but it's not as super mainstream like Youtube. There's still the issue of J-music not being avaliable on Itunes and Spotify. So how can J-music/J-pop be able to chart on Billboard world album charts when K-pop acts are doing this all the time.

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