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Now listen, I don't care who calls me a transphobe for my beliefs and my religion. However, I think this "Leela's law" thing people are talking about is a direct assualt on the first ammendement for unjust reasons. I'm sorry this dude died. However, I think the hatred and demonization of his parents and of religious people is no better than his death. Actually, I don't value human life all that much... The only reason I think murder is wrong is because it involves use of force. This dude selfishly ran in front of a truck, risking the life of the driver and anyone else who could get hurt... He is not a hero, or a martyr for anyone. He chose one of the most selfish methods of suicide out there and in no way should we look up to him.

Also, is one death worth trampling over religious freedom? How is a human life worth more than the freedom of people to live and practice their faith in peace. Plus, for those of you who blame the parents... Caitlyn Jenner and Lana Wachowsky didn't transition until adulthood... Why didn't they commit suicide?
However, this boy chose to die and we should respect it... I'm not gonna condemn him and call him a coward or a freak or a tranny or anything like that... I have nothing against him or his choice to die. Why would I harbor ill will against him? I have no reason to. I'm against the idea that his death is wothy of banning a spiritual practice...

By the same logic Tarot cards, Quiji boards, meditation, crystal healing, horoscopes, astrology, catholic rosary beads, wishing wells, and good luck charms should all be illegal along with conversion therapy? There's no scientific basis for believing in ghosts, so I guess paranormal research should be illegal too.
Granted, I do believe we should put age restrictions of conversion therapy, however, I believe banning it all together is an assault on the first ammendemnt.

What do you think? Does his death justify demonizing religious people and trying to be a spiritual practice?
Posted 11/1/15 , edited 11/1/15
The situation isn't demonising religion, all it is showing is that forcing someone to be who they're not is wrong. The difference between the Ouiji boards, spiritual practises and other things you've mentioned is that is does not interfere with who a person is. Conversion therapy itself, in my opinion, is a violation of human right. I understand that there are a lot of people who believe homosexuality is wrong, which I may not agree with, but I can accept that belief as long as they don't inflict that belief on others. As soon as it becomes a practise like conversion therapy, it's overstepping a boundary.

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wot law?
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silversongwriter wrote:

Now listen, I don't care who calls me a transphobe for my beliefs and my religion. However, I think this "Leela's law" thing people are talking about is a direct assualt on the first ammendement for unjust reasons. I'm sorry this dude died. However, I think the hatred and demonization of his parents and of religious people is no better than his death. Actually, I don't value human life all that much... The only reason I think murder is wrong is because it involves use of force. This dude selfishly ran in front of a truck, risking the life of the driver and anyone else who could get hurt... He is not a hero, or a martyr for anyone. He chose one of the most selfish methods of suicide out there and in no way should we look up to him.

Also, is one death worth trampling over religious freedom? How is a human life worth more than the freedom of people to live and practice their faith in peace. Plus, for those of you who blame the parents... Caitlyn Jenner and Lana Wachowsky didn't transition until adulthood... Why didn't they commit suicide?
However, this boy chose to die and we should respect it... I'm not gonna condemn him and call him a coward or a freak or a tranny or anything like that... I have nothing against him or his choice to die. Why would I harbor ill will against him? I have no reason to. I'm against the idea that his death is wothy of banning a spiritual practice...

By the same logic Tarot cards, Quiji boards, meditation, crystal healing, horoscopes, astrology, catholic rosary beads, wishing wells, and good luck charms should all be illegal along with conversion therapy? There's no scientific basis for believing in ghosts, so I guess paranormal research should be illegal too.
Granted, I do believe we should put age restrictions of conversion therapy, however, I believe banning it all together is an assault on the first ammendemnt.

What do you think? Does his death justify demonizing religious people and trying to be a spiritual practice?


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silversongwriter wrote:
Granted, I do believe we should put age restrictions of conversion therapy, however, I believe banning it all together is an assault on the first ammendemnt.


It has been proven that conversion therapy just messes people up, but I'm sure you don't care.
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People live and they die. Death itself is not necessarily a reason to demonize anything. We need to examine things beyond the fact that someone died. The death resulted from something, but from what? It is more important to consider why someone died rather than merely focus on the fact that someone died.

We should restrict in order to prevent future harm, not for the sake of vengeance or for emotionally-driven reasons.

However, I must say that conversion therapy, objectively, doesn't seem to provide much benefit. And the reasoning behind it is dated, crude, archaic. That type of treatment should not be deemed okay unless homosexuality is actually a mental disorder and the classification is based on sound science. Sure, you may practice religion in peace, but your rights end where others' rights begin. Use other kinds of therapy that actually provide a benefit. People should not be allowed to infringe on the rights of others merely because "they feel like it" and they "believe is right" due to religion or other subjective reasons. Back it up with research and facts. The value of the clashing rights need to be weighed. The more important right wins if there's no compromise. If it's a right of one's liberty and pursuit of happiness vs another's right to practice religion, with the former having more to lose, then the former one should be protected.
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silversongwriter wrote:

Now listen, I don't care who calls me a transphobe for my beliefs and my religion. However, I think this "Leela's law" thing people are talking about is a direct assualt on the first ammendement for unjust reasons.


Leela's law?--What, "Obey the Doctor, or I will cut out your heart"?
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Leela's Law something to do with Futurama?
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Nalaniel wrote: It has been proven that conversion therapy just messes people up, but I'm sure you don't care.
It maybe helps someone being alive, but does less help on helping them going out on others.
if you see until dawn as an answer on some of the stuff.

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I know I can get angry with my cat, sometimes, when he bites me, and I know it's a silly reaction, but to demonize prokaryotes? Not even I stoop that low.
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Lol silly humans
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Nalaniel wrote: It has been proven that conversion therapy just messes people up, but I'm sure you don't care.
It maybe helps someone being alive, but does less help on helping them going out on others.
if you see until dawn as an answer on some of the stuff.



Do you know what conversion therapy means? Your English is hard to understand.
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Nalaniel wrote:Do you know what conversion therapy means? Your English is hard to understand.
is it not a guy that lissen or talkes with you or maybe I miss understood?
oh its this stuff?

like those things for alcoholics?
Then I guess its just 50/50 and lucky if it works.
Posted 11/1/15

admiral1983 wrote:

Leela's Law something to do with Futurama?


Great minds think alike!
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