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What did i say that was so offensive?
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
I'm so confused I
offended people because i said
imo the whole shutin problem with japan isn't helped by there worth ethic where most of them work 90% of the day and get no rest and some even die from work
and people got made and were like OMG YOUR GENERALIZING
THATS OFFENSIVE I LIVE IN JAPAN
THAT'S WRONG
or my favourite "WHY ARE YOU SAYING ITS A PROBLEM THERE BUT NO WHERE ELSE"
to which i said it is a problem in other places but its not something you hear about compared to hearing about it from Japan
the news places i read at have talked about japans shutin "Problem " multiple times
so apparently talking about what you know based on research into a subject is "Talking out of your ass" and "Making offensive Generalisations"
Oh ........ ok

I mean it doesn't help i made a joke earlier saying i wish for a fake study saying "Asians genetically smarter" to hit reddit because the fallout from it would be just great to read...but even then that's not offensive that's funny :/


TL;DR i put my opinion into a subject i have done research into (Not enough obviously) and offended people for talking about there countries issues.

I don't see what i did wrong.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
People are growing into pansies more and more recently.


It's just how it is.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
Yep pretty much. lol some people are way too obsessed and defensive of Japan.
But in general alot of people are just offended by pretty much everything these days and really should avoid the internet.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/5/15
That whole part of Japanese culture is why I can't be considered a weaboo. I hate that about Japanese culture. Too much working yourself half to death.
Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
It's a problem that's being addressed by the government itself, so you're not saying anything wrong nor are you generalizing. The Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare claimed that they would implement new restrictions on overwork by the end of the year but I still don't see it happening. Funny thing is, the Ministry itself overworks its staff as well. Japan is done for, and I pity the people who work in a typical Japanese company because there's a loose screw in their work ethics.

Problem is, Japanese workers (salarymen) are so accustomed to overwork that their attitude towards productivity is disjointed. If we were to suddenly force workers to leave work at 9PM then hundreds of businesses would probably collapse. They've got nothing to look forward to after work anyway, so they don't necessarily have any incentives to get done with their tasks on time. Furthermore, these "black companies" (I use this in a broader manner than your average Japanese) are favored by large enterprises because they overwork their staff themselves, so they prefer partners who don't mind sticking with them until past midnight.

Rules of Japan
1.) Never arrive late.
2.) Always leave late.

Things are improving in Japan, compared to the times when being late deserved the death penalty.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/30/world/student-dies-whose-fault-japanese-ask.html
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15

bobland wrote:

People are growing into pansies more and more recently.


It's just how it is.


This is offensive to pansies everywhere! I shall not have you insult the name of those innocent flowers, by likening them to people! Anything else like this and you'll see yourself reported, sir!

But yes... People are becoming pretty pathetic.
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@Ryulightorb,
Given your informed position and conservatively expressed opinion (you even stated it was your opinion, not claiming it was fact or even widely held belief),
I cannot see how what you said was offensive in an objective sense,
but certainly a vocal minority (& trolls) will become offended at the slightest provocation to their tightly held belief system,
no matter how shaky its basis.

This is why politicians don't believe in the results of polls, and why celebrities should not read anything written about them in the media.

It is true that there are many exploited workers in many countries - not just Japan,
but not many countries other than perhaps communist China (and most likely North Korea) have a culture where children grow up feeling the expectations and weight of the community (and country) on their shoulders, being taught that their worth as an individual falls below that of the "greater good".
In japan, if you dare to be an individual or stand out, you soon feel the weight of your peers - Deru kui wa utareru. or "the stake that sticks up gets hammered down."
However, this is common among many societies in the form of peer pressure, to go along and be the same.
In Western nations now, to simply be a loner and to not fit in with the crowd additionally profiles you with suspicions of insurgency and terrorism - quickly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy of the ostracised child who then brings a gun to school.
Sound familiar?
This additional societal pressure is often too much for those who are not suited to 'go along with the flow and become one of the herd'.
Hikikomori, or shut-ins, do exist in other countries, often diagnosed as agoraphobic (fear of people or situations where it is perceived there is no escape, not specifically 'open spaces').
Karōshi, or 'Death from overwork' exists in other countries, however it is typically not labelled as such, and the common ruling is 'heart attack' which is attributed to lack of exercise or hypertension or some related physiological disorder, rather than the underlying cause being related to the work that person felt forced to do either in order to meet expectations of family or their peers, to pay off debt or achieve an income target expected by their upwardly mobile spouse, or expectations of capitalistic society at large to be an active consumer, a go-getter, and a misheld belief that 'if you work hard you will succeed and be a winner'.
I am in Australia, not Japan, and have had friends suffer severe physiological disorders caused by underlying excessive stress & repeated long hours at work (oncall technical system support roles), and third party acquaintances in the same company who have had rapid onset illnesses, two of who passed away suddenly, and I myself lost significant weight (I was already near-underweight) and started having sleep disorders before reducing full time to part time.
In the race of capitalism, there can only be a few winners, and they only win because the rest are suckers.
Case in point, the global systemic rorting of low income workers in western countries, where labourers essentially work overtime for free, in order to allow the employer to pay them wages of half or less than minimum wage. Did I say 7-11? not if you are trying to sue me I didn't.

Australia has 'tall poppy' syndrome, which has been rebranded as 'class warfare', but personally I feel that the only tall poppies who Australians actively cut down, (not counting the mass media which tries to drive trends according to Rupert Murdoch's worldview) have been rightly targetted as getting to the top by foul means rather than fair.
The underlying driver for that behaviour is a desire for everyone to play by the same fair rules, for everyone to get a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. Anyone who gets a buttload of money for doing next to nothing simply because they got lucky is fair game for copping some well-deserved abuse.

So......... let's see - if YOUR statements were perceived to be offensive, mine must surely attract some death threats from the offended masses.



Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/4/15
Maybe you're just ugly.
Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
Shin chan's dad who's a salaryman in the anime Crayon Shin-chan is pretty funny so I do like how Japanese people are probably not offended by it and make jokes about it.


Japan is still making great stuff, they are learning that to become more competitive they need to push more effort towards globalisation so they are more innovative. the salarymen are not the problem, it's usually what the company focuses on that's the problem and the companies unwilling to try out new business models will suffer. there's just a whole lot of wasted potential to some extent because the workers are smart, their products are alright but they're just slow to respond to threats. they have a workforce that's not lazy and who deserve to be paid as well as they do wherelse other countries are exceedingly relying on getting that same drive from people who are unwilling lest you rub their backs.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
I would like to say a few things.

1. Yes, people here are very oversensitive, the ones that aren't are overly smug /b/tards.

2. I doubt a number of the people here know what it's like to work for a living. If you knew what it was like to struggle with money you wouldn't be making such generalizations and talking about how silly it is that they work so hard. It's not like they want to. They just have to support themselves and their family in an extremely competitive job market.
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Posted 11/2/15
so offensive since it was so defencive
Posted 11/2/15
We legalized gay marriage, is a whole lot of people with things stuck in their asses demanding they are treated like delicate flowers. It dont matter the topic, will be someone you can offend with your stance on it. Amusing days for internet trolls.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15

Ryulightorb wrote:

I'm so confused I
offended people because i said
imo the whole shutin problem with japan isn't helped by there worth ethic where most of them work 90% of the day and get no rest and some even die from work
and people got made and were like OMG YOUR GENERALIZING
THATS OFFENSIVE I LIVE IN JAPAN
THAT'S WRONG
or my favourite "WHY ARE YOU SAYING ITS A PROBLEM THERE BUT NO WHERE ELSE"
to which i said it is a problem in other places but its not something you hear about compared to hearing about it from Japan
the news places i read at have talked about japans shutin "Problem " multiple times
so apparently talking about what you know based on research into a subject is "Talking out of your ass" and "Making offensive Generalisations"
Oh ........ ok

I mean it doesn't help i made a joke earlier saying i wish for a fake study saying "Asians genetically smarter" to hit reddit because the fallout from it would be just great to read...but even then that's not offensive that's funny :/


TL;DR i put my opinion into a subject i have done research into (Not enough obviously) and offended people for talking about there countries issues.

I don't see what i did wrong.


People who can't leave emotions out of debates or handle reality have no business being offended imo. Sounds like a bunch of overly sensitive people.

Those kinds of people either deflect the question with their own or are naive enough to pretend it isn't an issue in the first place. It's pointless to even waste time with people like that. If they want to dwell in misery or naivety let them.
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/3/15

Ryulightorb wrote:

I'm so confused I
offended people because i said
imo the whole shutin problem with japan isn't helped by there worth ethic where most of them work 90% of the day and get no rest and some even die from work
and people got made and were like OMG YOUR GENERALIZING
THATS OFFENSIVE I LIVE IN JAPAN
THAT'S WRONG
or my favourite "WHY ARE YOU SAYING ITS A PROBLEM THERE BUT NO WHERE ELSE


That's not saying there's anything wrong with the idea:
The Recession hit the post-80's Japanese unawares, leaving the 90's-00's Japanese trying to figure out what went wrong, and the only mindset they had to work with was that they must not have been working hard enough.
The idea of showing how fiercely their corporations work in the international stage became a bubble that popped, and now the last few generations are starting to question why they should knock themselves out fiercely competing six days a week since childhood school days for a corporate future. And their culture doesn't have an answer to that question, apart from what used to work, namely, "If you're not a success, it's your own fault."

Which is why the shut-in NEET/hikkikomori culture retreats from the pressures to succeed, and the middle-dog fighting and bullying for position, tries to find some middle ground of personal satisfaction (which is frowned upon in the group society), and got all Brony-precious and tried to make a "rebellious" lifestyle out of it once they found out there were more of them on the Net.
Also making them the "scapegoat" among the mainstream Japanese looking for the source of the problem anywhere but in the mirror, and peeking for "Work-dodging NEET's" under their bed or in the coat closet, anywhere that their nasty old anime or video games might appear.

There are ways out of their hole, but the first step is for Japanese society to thump themselves on the head and come to the realization that it's not 1988 anymore. A simple idea, but hard to grasp.

(There, see how less offensive it is, with actual syntax, formatting and punctuation? )
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Posted 11/2/15 , edited 11/2/15
No matter what you post on the internet, someone will get offended. It's become a rule of the internet and i hate it.
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