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It's hard when you have ADHD and mixed bipolar .
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Well i never said it would cure depression.

but that being said talking to a non-depressed person isn't going to cure depression either they have no more chance of curing depression then the depressed person does.


Right. The thing is, talking to other 'depressed' people just makes you feel validated in feeling that way. It might cheer you up, but only for it to happen again later. They'll 'comfort you' with the same pretty words they tell themselves---the same pretty words that keep them where they are.

--Believing it's okay to feel that way. It's impossible to change. It's not your fault. Etc.

They soothe and help grow the very mindset you shouldn't have. It's terrible advice.



Well i'll say it again a non-depressed person can't help anymore then a depressed person can.

Not being depressed doesn't magically make you more likely to help someone with depression.

Yes depressed people comfort eachother but i don't see how that's different from if a non-depressed person were to do it just because they don't have depression doesn't mean there more likely to help "Cure" the person with depression.

Also no one should ever say it's impossible to change...nor should they say it is someones fault.

The best thing you can do if your depressed is to try and solve the problem which most times means changing those around you and there way of thinking.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

It's hard when you have ADHD and mixed bipolar .


That's not completely a bad thing
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Well i'll say it again a non-depressed person can't help anymore then a depressed person can.

Not being depressed doesn't magically make you more likely to help someone with depression.

Yes depressed people comfort eachother but i don't see how that's different from if a non-depressed person were to do it just because they don't have depression doesn't mean there more likely to help "Cure" the person with depression.


Nope. Someone else who is depressed won't ever drag you out of pity. They only keep a person there. That's all they know how to do. Comfort is different from helping.

Normal people may not be able to do either, but some actually can do the latter.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

It's hard when you have ADHD and mixed bipolar .


That's not completely a bad thing :)


It's not, huh?
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PrinceJudar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Well i'll say it again a non-depressed person can't help anymore then a depressed person can.

Not being depressed doesn't magically make you more likely to help someone with depression.

Yes depressed people comfort eachother but i don't see how that's different from if a non-depressed person were to do it just because they don't have depression doesn't mean there more likely to help "Cure" the person with depression.


Nope. Someone else who is depressed won't ever drag you out of pity. They only keep a person there. That's all they know how to do. Comfort is different from helping.

Normal people may not be able to do either, but some actually can do the latter.


Well you are just assuming there...if Someone who is depressed can't do it... neither can a normal person.

Also i have to say bullshit because i'm depressed and i have dragged some of my friends out of depression.
I could of stayed there and comforted them and told them it was alright to feel like they do but instead i went out and actually made sure they made changes and forced there hand to accept change.


So if i can drag someone out of pity according to your logic i must be not depressed ....better stop taking my meds then
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There is a solution for all of this. Join the fight against ISIS. If/when you return you will value your life after seeing those around you having their heads blown off and bleed to death. You will no longer suffer from depression but PTSD so your depression will be cured.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

It's hard when you have ADHD and mixed bipolar .


That's not completely a bad thing :)


It's not, huh?


Nope i personally have OCD and Aspergers syndrome and Moodswings (to the point i need pills for it) i used to be like you and say it is a completely bad thing however it's not.

If you can find people who love you for who you are and accept you those things become not such a big deal.

Heck i know some people prefer hanging around people with ADHD and Bipolar over normal people so you have a advantage with those sort of people if your looking for friends
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Well you are just assuming there...if Someone who is depressed can't do it... neither can a normal person.

Also i have to say bullshit because i'm depressed and i have dragged some of my friends out of depression.
I could of stayed there and comforted them and told them it was alright to feel like they do but instead i went out and actually made sure they made changes and forced there hand to accept change.


So if i can drag someone out of pity according to your logic i must be not depressed ....better stop taking my meds then


Hm, I'll admit a wrong then.

You probably should. It's about that time to take your own advice.

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Thanks.
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PrinceJudar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Well i never said it would cure depression.

but that being said talking to a non-depressed person isn't going to cure depression either they have no more chance of curing depression then the depressed person does.


Right. The thing is, talking to other 'depressed' people just makes you feel validated in feeling that way. It might cheer you up, but only for it to happen again later. They'll 'comfort you' with the same pretty words they tell themselves---the same pretty words that keep them where they are.

--Believing it's okay to feel that way. It's impossible to change. It's not your fault. Etc.

They soothe and help grow the very mindset you shouldn't have. It's terrible advice.




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Depression can only be "cured" when the problem goes away or one becomes numb to the problem....a normal person is going to be no less or more helpful then a depressed person when it comes to helping and trying to "cure" someone from being depressed.


Bullshit. You're flat out wrong. Been there and back, that is not how it works.


I have been there and back also and that is how it works atleast in my circumstance it was like that.
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Meh. A lot of it just comes down to will power. Assuming what is causing the "depression" is within your control in the first place that is.

Life can deal you a pretty shitty hand and sometimes it's beyond your control. Though how you deal with the aftermath is always in your control. In my mind, at that point it just comes down to will power. You either allow yourself to be swallowed up by your own emotions or you overcome them.

I'm not a sympathetic person (hell I don't even feel emotion really) so I will probably seem biased on this. I've never been one to be accepting of excuses or weak minded people, but I do realize that in some cases things are just beyond a persons control to some extent. Doesn't mean you need to feel a certain way about it though.

I said that about as nicely as I could.
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PrinceJudar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Well you are just assuming there...if Someone who is depressed can't do it... neither can a normal person.

Also i have to say bullshit because i'm depressed and i have dragged some of my friends out of depression.
I could of stayed there and comforted them and told them it was alright to feel like they do but instead i went out and actually made sure they made changes and forced there hand to accept change.


So if i can drag someone out of pity according to your logic i must be not depressed ....better stop taking my meds then


Hm, I'll admit a wrong then.

You probably should. It's about that time to take your own advice.



I do take my advice well for the most part.

My depression is honestly a unique/ rare case.

My depression lies from the source of how other people treat those around me and how those with Aspergers Syndrome and Autism etc are treated (including me)

I was suicidal once and it was because i lost the only person who ever cared and being different is hard when society treats people like your own kind as freaks.

That being said i do believe the solution to my depression is to help others who are suffering like me and work to change how people treat those with Aspergers and those around me.

Knowing there are people out there being bullied or killed just because they were born with there brain forming differently...really messes me up inside.


When i think about it me being depressed is mostly due to unfortunate circumstances and things beyond my own control and being over empathetic towards people like me.

Still i'm not so depressed anymore i have my moments but for the most part i'm super happy
Probably because lately i have been cheering up a few people who are suicidal and comforting them which i feel is the first step towards recovery.

comfort = less likely to commit suicide and more likely to take advice
Advice = feeling better and eventually cured.

To me Depression is a huge process to go through and alot of people just need a hug to get through i know i did.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

I do take my advice well for the most part.

My depression is honestly a unique/ rare case.

My depression lies from the source of how other people treat those around me and how those with Aspergers Syndrome and Autism etc are treated (including me)

I was suicidal once and it was because i lost the only person who ever cared and being different is hard when society treats people like your own kind as freaks.

That being said i do believe the solution to my depression is to help others who are suffering like me and work to change how people treat those with Aspergers and those around me.

Knowing there are people out there being bullied or killed just because they were born with there brain forming differently...really messes me up inside.


When i think about it me being depressed is mostly due to unfortunate circumstances and things beyond my own control and being over empathetic towards people like me.

Still i'm not so depressed anymore i have my moments but for the most part i'm super happy


Your depression isn't a rare case.

You can't choose what hits you, but you can always choose how to take it.

Seems like you're trying at least, sorta, but some is better than none.

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My psych prof said that depression is the tendency for the mind to focus on the negatives in every aspect of life.
I think a good habit to fix this is to think of one good thing for every bad thing. This
actually helped me get over some mild depression (I used to do some dangerous stuff just to feel alive and normal).

Some claim depression to be a lack of conscious decision making.
Some claim depression to be due to you not being where you think you should currently be in your life.
But I found that working hard, having goals, no matter how stupid the goal, really helps in the now.

Depression makes you feel like you have nobody to care for you but that may not be the case in reality.
I had a friend who was suicidal, he hung out with us a lot, he seemed normal, but he told us later that
he felt as if nobody cared for him. To us, that's just a 'wtf' moment, that clearly wasn't the case.

This is my opinion, but I really don't think "beating yourself up, forcing yourself" works at all.
Again, referring to the point that depression focuses only on negatives... It's more like
actually accepting yourself for who you currently are. If things change, great! if they don't, that's fine too,
because living itself is a privilege that isn't granted to everyone.

I might just be reiterating obvious stuff here, but I hope I helped at least a little bit.
I tried everything from exercise (I got pretty fit), sunlight, extremes changes like change in housing, extreme stress situations,
drugs, therapy, meditation, working hard... Did pretty much nothing. But the habit of thinking of one good thing (or two) for every
bad thought that you have, that is the one thing that helped me out of some dangerous situations.

Yeah yeah real life sucks and what not, but might as well try to enjoy it while we're here.
Besides, VR is coming out soon ^^.

Add me if you wanna chat or whatever, "Crunchyroll and chill" as it were.
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