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Are we really going to argue in favor of limiting how many kids a family is allowed to have? As a Dad with 4 kids, I say - that's ridiculous. We shouldn't be forcing people to conform to specific norms of what is family size. Some want a few kids, some want a lot. So long as they can afford the children, who cares? Overpopulation will always be an issue, but to allow for totalitarian control over people's lives where you are restricting their number of children through force (or forced sterilization at times in China), is outrageous and downright evil.

That said - what has curbed overpopulation in the west? Mostly culture. As the culture has changed, so has the desire to have children. People are having fewer and fewer with some western nations having negative population growth, which will be problematic for them in the long term.

TL;DR Don't limit how many children people can have, that's a forceful and vile thing to do. Eventually these things will most likely remedy themselves as cultures shift.


It's not always about the parents being able to afford having more children but if there is enough resources to go around for an ever increasing population.
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I could have a fleet of hummers follow me around as I drive to work and I would still be doing less environmental damage than having a single child. https://youtu.be/MI0-rUHorj8
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mdmrn wrote:

Are we really going to argue in favor of limiting how many kids a family is allowed to have? As a Dad with 4 kids, I say - that's ridiculous. We shouldn't be forcing people to conform to specific norms of what is family size. Some want a few kids, some want a lot. So long as they can afford the children, who cares? Overpopulation will always be an issue, but to allow for totalitarian control over people's lives where you are restricting their number of children through force (or forced sterilization at times in China), is outrageous and downright evil.

That said - what has curbed overpopulation in the west? Mostly culture. As the culture has changed, so has the desire to have children. People are having fewer and fewer with some western nations having negative population growth, which will be problematic for them in the long term.

TL;DR Don't limit how many children people can have, that's a forceful and vile thing to do. Eventually these things will most likely remedy themselves as cultures shift.


It' not that simple, the problem is that there literally isn't enough land or resources for all of the people. China and the US are very similar in size, but China's population per sq. mile is 365, as opposed to the US which is 84 per sq. mile. The more people means less of but more expensive resources, which means there will be more people that are starving and in poverty.
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Population control will be necessary sooner or later. You get to pick between that and overpopulating the earth to the point of unsustainability. Since the whine of emotional discomfort is outweighed by the severity of the actual consequences of resource depletion, preventing overpopulation is more important than making choices that make everyone feel nice. We can only hide in our illusions of peace and comfort for so long.

It doesn't have to be a one-child policy. There are many ways to reduce a population or limit growth. But putting a limit on the number of children allowed is one of the less bloody ones. There wouldn't be a problem if people had enough sense to realize why the policy was in place and why they should follow it. It's the breaking of law, more often than not, that causes the problems. If you have a kid, raise that kid. I don't see it as an issue with the policy itself. The rule itself was sensible. It was just that people chose to violate it and wanted to pick the sex of their kid because sons are considered more important.
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I'd rather limit who can have a kid rather than the limit to how many... Some people do not need to reproduce


That would be unethical and neo-nazi.
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I guess Chinese men didn't want to hit their wives right in the....Va-China.




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dotsforlife wrote:

I'd rather limit who can have a kid rather than the limit to how many... Some people do not need to reproduce


That would be unethical and neo-nazi.


You think its ethical to allow people with low intelligence to create children?
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

I'd rather limit who can have a kid rather than the limit to how many... Some people do not need to reproduce


That would be unethical and neo-nazi.


You think its ethical to allow people with low intelligence to create children?


yes.
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biscuitnote wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

I'd rather limit who can have a kid rather than the limit to how many... Some people do not need to reproduce


That would be unethical and neo-nazi.


You think its ethical to allow people with low intelligence to create children?


yes.


So these people will be subject to lives of poverty and hardship due to their limited intelligence but your right its the ethical thing to do.
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The Chinese government enforce the one-child policy to control the population because it is over-populated. India is also over populated why doesn't its government do something?


And clearly that worked brilliantly for China. Anyone recall how one of the first things that happened when China's one child policy was instituted was that a lot of baby girls were being killed? That was just the beginning. Over time, the sex ratio in China has skewed, and it's caused ongoing and increasing social and demographic problems. No surprise they recently killed the policy.

India probably isn't doing the same thing partially because it's a democracy where you actually have to convince people to accept changes to how their government runs things. Instituting the one child policy in China is easy when you have an authoritarian government centrally controlled by a couple dozen guys in a star chamber.

Controlling the number of births sounds like a wonderful idea if you're a child or a dictator or a robot. Seems simple enough if you don't know or care how people think and behave.
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In my opinion, there is no need for Indians to control the population. More people means more energy. Look at the fertility rates of Japan, China and South Korea. While Japan's population is expected to decline, China and Korea's median age is getting old (I think ROK is better, with high percentage of working age people).

Yup, I came from China. I would have a sibling if my mom did not choose to abort(in that case she would lose her job). Not surprising though, millions of families have experienced more cruel penalty/enforcement for being pregnant or giving birth to a second child.
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So these people will be subject to lives of poverty and hardship due to their limited intelligence but your right its the ethical thing to do.


You are subjecting them to poverty because you're an elitist.
The reality is they don't have to be subject to poverty and hardship simply because of their low intelligence and the children don't have to be unintelligent because their parents are.

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dotsforlife wrote:

I'd rather limit who can have a kid rather than the limit to how many... Some people do not need to reproduce


That would be unethical and neo-nazi.


Call it what you will, it doesn't bother me. Fact of the matter is, there are quite a few people these days who are not fit for raising children but end up having to do so due to lack of self control. Intelligence is one thing, but I'm mainly pointing towards those who do not have the proper means to raise a child, much less the maturity to do so.

At the end of the day, if people were more responsible and sensible about procreating then there wouldn't be the need for many of the issues we face to this day.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


biscuitnote wrote:

So these people will be subject to lives of poverty and hardship due to their limited intelligence but your right its the ethical thing to do.


You are subjecting them to poverty because you're an elitist.
The reality is they don't have to be subject to poverty and hardship simply because of their low intelligence and the children don't have to be unintelligent because their parents are.



Hey I'm actually trying to improve their lot in life. Having children you can't afford strains relationships, finances, and for people who are not going to earn alot over their lifetime it means they will have limited options for leaving poverty. In the long run these kinds of people going child free would help our country economically and the environment.
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