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I've realized something... How can I be sure my feelings are morally correct... I mean think about it.. Empathy can tell someone that it's okay to kill Palestinian kids but not Israeli kids... or vice versa. Ones feelings can tell them to commit atrocious acts in the name of revenge... empathy can tell us all sorts of things and is a influenced by our brains.
I mean, we're not equally empathetic 100% of the time. Our natural sense of right and wrong can be altered if we're a bad mood or face a bad experience. So how can it be relied on?
So... maybe our natural sense of empathy isn't good enough...
But I don't got to worry. Cause I created my own sense of ethics

I put all actions into 5 inevitable categories rather than just good or bad. I list them from most moral to least moral. You may dislike it but I have a sense of ethics I believe apply universally with few exceptions



Now whether you agree or disagree I have a moral code. However, do we all need one. Immanuel Kant had his own system of morals, so did many philosophers? Are moral codes out dated? Can we trust out sense of empathy to tell us what's right all the time?

Or is it better to develop a system of concepts in which to determine what's moral or ethical? Free will and individuality are my concepts, and I think they do a better job at saying what's right or wrong than my feelings are.
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Morally correct is a subjective term.

It changes depending on the society in which you live, and over time within any given society.
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As a moral nihilist I really have to agree on your points about empathy not being the same for others or even universally found in humans. I think at this point we can start calling it preference rather than morality.

Also I do agree that individually created creeds are better for ethics.
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I just wing it. Haven't murdered or maimed anyone yet. There is value in defining things, but it's also important to be able to rely on life experience, common sense, and empathy.
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If I can predict your actions before you make them with a brain scan, how are you free to make a choice?

For that matter, if I can control your moral reasoning with an external magnetic field (i.e. a TMS wand), does it make sense to talk about morality in terms of brain processes like empathy?
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ProfessorFaust wrote:

If I can predict your actions before you make them with a brain scan, how are you free to make a choice?

For that matter, if I can control your moral reasoning with an external magnetic field (i.e. a TMS wand), does it make sense to talk about morality in terms of brain processes like empathy?


Just don't sleep.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27115-new-memories-implanted-in-mice-while-they-sleep/
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ProfessorFaust wrote:

If I can predict your actions before you make them with a brain scan, how are you free to make a choice?

For that matter, if I can control your moral reasoning with an external magnetic field (i.e. a TMS wand), does it make sense to talk about morality in terms of brain processes like empathy?

I started reading your post in the HAL voice...

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ProfessorFaust wrote:

If I can predict your actions before you make them with a brain scan, how are you free to make a choice?

For that matter, if I can control your moral reasoning with an external magnetic field (i.e. a TMS wand), does it make sense to talk about morality in terms of brain processes like empathy?


I believe those tests can't truly disprove the existence of free will on a deeper level.
The brain may have an influence on the decision we make but we're not robots. It doesn't get down to the finer details of our imagination and our ability to form philosophical ideas.
But I'm a gnostic in a lot of ways and see the brain as a prison for the soul which keeps us bound to this world
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Your pass is negative 9000 you are now a goddess!

(making fun of psycho pass system with 9000 XP)
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What?
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One's moral code should be based off a mixture of logic and compassion. Empathy on its own, while it can be an effective tool for sympathizing and understanding the plights of others, shouldn't take precedence over reason and most certainly should never be the sole method of judging what is right or wrong.
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A true ethical system is never complete. Ethics attempts to form a prescriptive, rational system that both explains and perpetuates the subject's empathetic experience. You see a situation, react to it, consider why you reacted the way you did, then compare it to how you've treated other situations in the past. Over time, you form certain "rules" that attempt to describe how your empathy is placed as precisely and concisely as possible, but at the end of the day, morality itself stems from empathy, and different people feel different ways about different things. If morality had the capacity to be universal, we'd have it figured out by now.

A purely rational ethical system won't work: that's why laws are constantly being changed. If you encounter a situation where none of your ethical principles are being violated, but you still feel morally offended, then the problem is that your principles aren't adequate. Don't "convince" yourself that whatever is happening is just, find out where in the syntax of your code that this fits, and amend it. At no point in time should you be saying that something is both "kind of a dick move" and "morally right." The desire to build a logically sound moral system doesn't only come from the desire to classify and organize. The fact that it's a moral system indicates an interest in empathy, which is something that appears alogical (not illogical, or else the endeavour would be impossible). You needn't be so eager to distance yourself from your empathetic side; that's what makes ethics worth thinking about in the first place. Without the challenge of forcing logic onto something that seems not to heed it, it wouldn't be fun. A code isn't a way to escape empathy so much as a way to summarize it.
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An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.



Morals change.
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VZ68 wrote:

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.



Morals change.


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