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Posted 11/8/15 , edited 11/11/15
A companion piece to Recommendations for Gaming novice

So, I've got a two-week stay-at-home vacation coming up, and I thought I'd put it to more interesting use than "watch more anime."

So, for a while now I've been feeling uncomfortable because, i dunno, my feminist card is out of date or something, and I feel I really need, and want, to put more effort into refreshing what I know and digging in a bit deeper as well. This seemed like a good opportunity for me to get started.

So, to help me in this self-study refresher course, send me some recommended "Feminism 101 and 201" reading! I'm interested in things that would deal with the history of feminism, feminist theory, as well as various aspects of feminism today. Secondary sources, primary sources, opposing viewpoints. That's all good.

Books are good as a starting place (especially if available as digital books from amazon), but for a better sense of what's happening now, online essays, news articles or sites that focus on related subject matter, blogs, short videos, etc. would be great.

I'd especially welcome some specific links to the sort of radical "tumblr" feminist blogs some people keep bitching about in a very general way but which I rarely see direct links to. I want to see first hand what so many folks are lashing out about whenever the topic of "feminism" comes up. I do not want secondary sources here. I'm too tired of people just repeating someone else's criticism, to add their own criticism, and linking back through a chain of bashing that doesn't actually cite any source of what's being bashed.

Yeah, that's right. I've got a feminism + gaming vacation planned. Hopefully it will be more rewarding than some of the discussion threads on the topic have been!
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On the more historical side:

Start with Betty Friedan's "Feminine Mystique" . Often credited with founding modern feminism, it is still relevant to conversations about work-life balance.

I'd also recommend watching "Patsy Mink: Ahead of the Majority"; it's a PBS documentary about Patsy Mink. She was the first woman of color in Congress (she was a Japanese American from Hawaii) and she was the primary author of Title IX (which bans sex discrimination on college campuses).

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Not an expert on feminism myself but there's some interesting stuff related to it in this thread.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=7wgxj2o7432xee0nf594td8r
Inb4 People start generalizing all feminist as feminazis on tumbrl.
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Inb4 People start generalizing all feminist as feminazis on tumbrl.


When they come I'm going to nag them into giving me their sources before I kick them out

(Because seriously, I do want to read where these generalities come from. You know, draw my own conclusions. But I don't regularly frequent tumblr, or many other internet places and it's an awfully big web to just stumble through, even with google's assistance.
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Bell Hooks is a good place to start. Ain't I a Woman is probably the quintessential black feminist work. I think every genders studies class reads some part of that book, the passages I read in my Women and Writing class were really interesting.
Simone de Beauvoir (the second sex) is a good one too, very philosophical and pretty essential for studying feminism since her work influenced second wave (and subsequently this current 'wave') feminism.
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I wish I could remember the author's name, but I recommend "The Politics of Sex." It may have been the result of her doctoral dissertation.
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There are some opposing views and some second hand sources in this thread.
https://forums.hummingbird.me/t/lets-talk-about-feminism/24679/16
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The Disney "Mary Poppins" movie has some good women's rights propaganda in it.
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I've read too many with fee-fee based anecdotes and writings--beware the best sellers.

I'm currently reading Gut Feminism by Elizabeth A. Wilson. At the very least, it's an interesting read. I much prefer books like this as someone in the hard sciences. So I'll recommend it. Empirical truths are best.

Review:
"From organ speech to enteric moods, the gut is minded and the mind gutted by this book. It promises and delivers readings of biochemistry, pharmacology, anatomy, and psychoanalysis as strange matters that are unsettling to biology and feminism alike. Provocative in its diagnosis of the rejection of biology in feminist theory, I expect many readers will both devour this book, and throw it around the room a little."
(Hannah Landecker, author of Culturing Life: How Cells Became Technologies)

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Posted 11/10/15
Thanks everyone.

But no links to "tumblr feminists"? Are they imaginary
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lorreen wrote:

Thanks everyone.

But no links to "tumblr feminists"? Are they imaginary

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/feminism
Posted 11/10/15 , edited 11/10/15
Good luck with that. If you want radical, I'd suggest Andrea Dworkin or P.T. Atkins. They don't have tumblr accounts sadly, but alongside the sex is oppressive to political lesbianism I'm sure you'll find more than enough radicalism there.


I also love the book The Color Purple by Alice Walker. It helped me appreciate earlier authors like Zorah Neal Hurston.


Now to be fair, Dworkin can be interpreted in more ways than one.


https://youtu.be/nvYyGTmcP80

Also another example of what one may call a radical feminist, goes by the name chanty binx, they even have a kym article on her. Although she may have a point, haven't watched the video, just telling you because she's notorious.

Edit: Ti Grace Atkins. Don't know where I got P.T. Also, the SCUM Manifesto is not meant to be taken seriously.


https://youtu.be/kdj9k4jsw-c

Also good for a laugh. If this doesn't paint the movement in a stupid light, nothing will.
Posted 11/10/15
https://www.tumblr.com/search/men+are+disgusting


This could be a useful tag. Look what I found.

http://kawacummi4ever.tumblr.com/post/74247443260/btw-sex-positive-male-feminists-is-a-joke-youre

"Btw sex positive male feminists is a joke. You’re pretending to be all about a cause to get laid and it’s sick. Go fuck yourself."
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Good luck with that. If you want radical, I'd suggest Andrea Dworkin or P.T. Atkins. They don't have tumblr accounts sadly, but alongside the sex is oppressive to political lesbianism I'm sure you'll find more than enough radicalism there.


I also love the book The Color Purple by Alice Walker. It helped me appreciate earlier authors like Zorah Neal Hurston.


Now to be fair, Dworkin can be interpreted in more ways than one.


https://youtu.be/nvYyGTmcP80

Also another example of what one may call a radical feminist, goes by the name chanty binx, they even have a kym article on her. Although she may have a point, haven't watched the video, just telling you because she's notorious.

Edit: Ti Grace Atkins. Don't know where I got P.T. Also, the SCUM Manifesto is not meant to be taken seriously.


https://youtu.be/kdj9k4jsw-c

Also good for a laugh. If this doesn't paint the movement in a stupid light, nothing will.


TY. Yes, I'm familiar with Dworkin, but have lazily never read any of her writing myself, and that is an oversight I should will correct.

Also semi familiar with the SCUM Manifesto.

Have read The Color Purple, but all the other names mentioned are new to me. Thank you for helping in my exploration.


https://www.tumblr.com/search/men+are+disgusting





This could be a useful tag. Look what I found.

http://kawacummi4ever.tumblr.com/post/74247443260/btw-sex-positive-male-feminists-is-a-joke-youre

"Btw sex positive male feminists is a joke. You’re pretending to be all about a cause to get laid and it’s sick. Go fuck yourself."


Was gonna say, not everyone who says men are disgusting are feminists, but that is quite a find there, indeedy.
Posted 11/10/15
Robin Morgan is also quite influential in the last couple decades, and notable includes

Melissa Farley
Shulamith Firestone
Catharine MacKinnon
Kate Millett
Rosetta Reitz
Gloria Steinem

I wouldn't consider them to be as radical as you'd want them, in fact some of them might have agreeable ideas.
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