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Posted 11/8/15

Nyanotic wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

TKD
+You move up ranks fast
+Flexibility training is valuable
+Builds good leg strength and reaction time
-Those ridiculous kicks....
-Fewer hand/arm techniques were taught
-Forms are super boring


Ridiculous kicks? I have no idea what you're talking about.




Good in theory bad in practice. To pull it off you need speed and timing. Fuck ether of those and you are in for a world of hurt. It can be effective assuming your opponent isn't fast or has the reflexes to react in time. I can see different ways to defeat that move. Most of them are simply to do, unless you go for the painful ones. Also grabbing a leg in mid air is quite easy if you have the speed reflexes and coordination.

Thou if you do manage to pull it off, you probably are doing some serious damage and get cool points. If you pull it off that is.
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Posted 11/8/15

KarenAraragi wrote:


Nyanotic wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

TKD
+You move up ranks fast
+Flexibility training is valuable
+Builds good leg strength and reaction time
-Those ridiculous kicks....
-Fewer hand/arm techniques were taught
-Forms are super boring


Ridiculous kicks? I have no idea what you're talking about.




Good in theory bad in practice. To pull it off you need speed and timing. Fuck ether of those and you are in for a world of hurt. It can be effective assuming your opponent isn't fast or has the reflexes to react in time. I can see different ways to defeat that move. Most of them are simply to do, unless you go for the painful ones. Also grabbing a leg in mid air is quite easy if you have the speed reflexes and coordination.

Thou if you do manage to pull it off, you probably are doing some serious damage and get cool points. If you pull it off that is.


I wouldn't try grabbing someone's leg mid-kick, believe me; it doesn't work (and is quite painful too).

However, I agree that it is very impractical and that pulling it off gets you at least +20 cool points. Back when I still trained, I saw a few people pull this kind of crap in well-rehearsed demonstrations but never when sparring.

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Tae Kwon Do.... currently hold the rank of 2nd degree Black Belt

and yes.... dear god those kicks man. We alsohad XMA and weapons training. We would jump up walls with katanas and other shit on Saturday mornings and jump off and try to "slice" something usually a bamboo pole. Hard as fuck
Posted 11/8/15

Nyanotic wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:


Nyanotic wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

TKD
+You move up ranks fast
+Flexibility training is valuable
+Builds good leg strength and reaction time
-Those ridiculous kicks....
-Fewer hand/arm techniques were taught
-Forms are super boring


Ridiculous kicks? I have no idea what you're talking about.




Good in theory bad in practice. To pull it off you need speed and timing. Fuck ether of those and you are in for a world of hurt. It can be effective assuming your opponent isn't fast or has the reflexes to react in time. I can see different ways to defeat that move. Most of them are simply to do, unless you go for the painful ones. Also grabbing a leg in mid air is quite easy if you have the speed reflexes and coordination.

Thou if you do manage to pull it off, you probably are doing some serious damage and get cool points. If you pull it off that is.


I wouldn't try grabbing someone's leg mid-kick, believe me; it doesn't work (and is quite painful too).

However, I agree that it is very impractical and that pulling it off gets you at least +20 cool points. Back when I still trained, I saw a few people pull this kind of crap in well-rehearsed demonstrations but never when sparring.




I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.
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1st studied TKD
Age 12-16.
Trained 3-4 times a week in 2-3 hour sessions, was pretty good: won State Championships and went to National Championships.
+Good athletic workout
+My teacher had a practical and balanced look at martial arts and incorporated useful techniques from other styles (arm bars from jiu jitsu, wrist locks from aikido, throws from judo, weapons disarms from krav maga, etc.)
+Relatively useful in a real fight, even if not a master
-A lot of emphasis on memorizing forms
-A number of outlandish/useless moves only used for demonstrations (see triple spinning kick guy above)

2nd studied Aikido
Age 19-21
Trained twice a week in 1-2 hour sessions
+Extremely low start-up needs (equipment, physical ability, etc.)
+Very useful in real world situations, but only if you are very well practiced.
-Extremely dangerous to pull off in real world situations, if you are not well practiced.
-Almost no physical workout. It's affectionately known as 'the lazy man's martial arts".

3rd studied Iaijutsu (quick-draw sword work... think gunfight at high noon: pull weapon, attack, finish)
Age 30-32
Trained once a week in 3 hour sessions, in Japan
+High start up cost, lots of equipment to buy
+Useless in real world situations, unless the zombie apocalypse comes or other major cataclysm
+Cool points among many martial arts fans
+Practice cutting is wicked cool.
-I studied with a Japanese master who spoke almost no English, so the lessons were hard. Mostly getting whacked with a wooden sword and trying to copy master. All in a freezing cold school gym with hard floors.
-Terrible on your knees, as you spend a lot of time in a kneeling position.
-Very dangerous as you progress, as the live swords can take off a finger with a tiny mistake (my master's hands were half scar tissue)

Given it to do all over again, I'd start with Aikido, move into Karate or TKD, then move on to jiu-jitsu, then finish with Iaijutsu. As far as I can see, that'd be the all around Nihon-style fighter (minus ninjitsu, which doesn't really interest me that much).
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Which Martial Arts have you trained previously or currently??
Style- Wrestling
Age- 11
How long- 12 years
Pros- well balanced on offense and defense
excellent for close combat
excels in opponent manipulation
one of the basis for most MMA UFC gyms I've seen
Cons- lack of strikes
not well suited for multiple opponents
not a lot of respect for real wrestling because people think its like WWE
Style- Boxing
Age- 12
How long- 11 years
Pros- strong punches
learn to brush strikes off
can be used against multiple opponents
Cons- lack of kicks
not very efficient it take time to finish the fight
Style- Unnamed Personal Martial Art
Age- 20
How long- 3 years
Pros- powerful strikes
opponent manipulation
designed for very close range
focus on efficient take down of opponent
adaptability
Cons- far from finished i'm constantly changing moves making them more personally efficient

Other martial arts that interest me include- I lack proper weapons training so I'd like to someday practice escrima or kendo or something along those lines
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Fencing
Age: 14-18, ongoing but more eclectically
Training: Club training on Tuesday and Thursday, matches on Saturdays
Pros: Classy, artistic, stylish
Cons: Who sword fights nowadays? And if you did walk around with a saber at your side 1. Everyone will see it and think you're crazy, which you obviously are if you are carrying around a sword nowadays because 2. If you get in a situation where having a sword will be important you should probably be rethinking your life. If someone tries to mug you they will probably have a gun. And then what are you going to do, Mr. Sword Person? Deflect the bullets with your mad sword skills? You're not a Jedi! You can't do that!

Still looks cool though.
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Posted 11/8/15 , edited 11/8/15

KarenAraragi wrote:

I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.


Very risky. Taking the full brunt of a kick even with a block is pretty dangerous. You can fracture something since the leg is so much stronger than the arm. And it's your superior's leg, so he's presumably stronger and better-trained than you. I'd rather get winded than fracture a bone.

Not letting an opponent's strike make you lose your calm is pretty important. I've been kicked in the head, choked out, winded and left gasping for air, etc. It didn't deter me from using a type of attack. I just became smarter about when I used those attacks.
Posted 11/8/15
TKD
Age: 11/12 then started again in a college TKD class (age:23)
How long: 3 years plus one year in college
Pros: self-discipline, leadership, learned how to control your self, i really liked how we had to memorize things. Good self defense. The ability to have agility. Learned how to kick high and properly land.
Cons: that I had to quit before I got my black belt
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Posted 11/8/15

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KarenAraragi wrote:

I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.


Very risky. Taking the full brunt of a kick even with a block is pretty dangerous. You can fracture something since the leg is so much stronger than the arm. And it's your superior's leg, so he's presumably stronger and better-trained than you. I'd rather get winded than fracture a bone.

Not letting an opponent's strike make you lose your calm is pretty important. I've been kicked in the head, choked out, winded and left gasping for air, etc. It didn't deter me from using a type of attack. I just became smarter about when I used those attacks.


Yeah, taking a direct block from a kick is risky, however, it depends highly on the type of kick.

Kicks tend to be much slower than punches, and once you are in the kicking motion there isn't much flexibility to move around the way you want.

So a good strategy to use against them is simply to avoid them, or strike faster than they can prepare their kick. If you bring a fight to fists, most kicks won't have enough power to really be a threat. Though knee strikes and such can still be dangerous, if you aren't careful with them they leave you open to getting knocked on your ass.

Not a big fan of kicks, in short. To me, they are more meant as a form of deterrence and for feeling out your opponent. Against anybody who is competent, they have quite a few shortcomings, though the power is remarkable and it is obviously highly effective if properly trained.

My only real martial arts "training" however is in basic karate, so perhaps I'm just not aware of enough. I mainly just practice in my spare time, with whatever techniques from whichever particular styles seem effective. I'm in sore need of a sparring partner as well. Might join a gym just for that.
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Yeah, taking a direct block from a kick is risky, however, it depends highly on the type of kick.

Kicks tend to be much slower than punches, and once you are in the kicking motion there isn't much flexibility to move around the way you want.

So a good strategy to use against them is simply to avoid them, or strike faster than they can prepare their kick. If you bring a fight to fists, most kicks won't have enough power to really be a threat. Though knee strikes and such can still be dangerous, if you aren't careful with them they leave you open to getting knocked on your ass.

Not a big fan of kicks, in short. To me, they are more meant as a form of deterrence and for feeling out your opponent. Against anybody who is competent, they have quite a few shortcomings, though the power is remarkable and it is obviously highly effective if properly trained.

My only real martial arts "training" however is in basic karate, so perhaps I'm just not aware of enough. I mainly just practice in my spare time, with whatever techniques from whichever particular styles seem effective. I'm in sore need of a sparring partner as well. Might join a gym just for that.


I think these are some reasons why so many styles teach you to not kick high targets like the chest and the head. You sacrifice too much balance and tend to drop your guard. Kicks to the side of the knee and to the groin have a good chance to cause debilitating injury in a way that punches simply can't. The trick is to employ them wisely due to their slower speed and tendency to throw you off balance more. Just as it's not good to rely solely on kicks, it's not good to rely solely on punches and ignore the effectiveness of a good kick. Stomping an opponent on the ground is also a good way to finish up.

I fought someone in a tournament who tried to kick at my upper body and I ended up accidentally breaking his ankle due to the balance issue, so I've been pretty wary of that ever since I saw it actually happen and was in the cockpit, getting the best view. I think I was 17 at the time.
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Posted 11/8/15

KarenAraragi wrote:


Nyanotic wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:


Nyanotic wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

TKD
+You move up ranks fast
+Flexibility training is valuable
+Builds good leg strength and reaction time
-Those ridiculous kicks....
-Fewer hand/arm techniques were taught
-Forms are super boring


Ridiculous kicks? I have no idea what you're talking about.




Good in theory bad in practice. To pull it off you need speed and timing. Fuck ether of those and you are in for a world of hurt. It can be effective assuming your opponent isn't fast or has the reflexes to react in time. I can see different ways to defeat that move. Most of them are simply to do, unless you go for the painful ones. Also grabbing a leg in mid air is quite easy if you have the speed reflexes and coordination.

Thou if you do manage to pull it off, you probably are doing some serious damage and get cool points. If you pull it off that is.


I wouldn't try grabbing someone's leg mid-kick, believe me; it doesn't work (and is quite painful too).

However, I agree that it is very impractical and that pulling it off gets you at least +20 cool points. Back when I still trained, I saw a few people pull this kind of crap in well-rehearsed demonstrations but never when sparring.




I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.


Maybe inJujitsu but in TKD it isn't a practical move. From what I understand, you still take the force of the kick to your ribs which, most times, is a point for your opponent. Even if you do successfully grab the leg, you can't really do much because grabbing a limb is against the rules in a proper match anyway.
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First started Karate when I was 13 in the summer of 2007. And then a few years later, started MMA (Mixed Martial Arts), but it's still considered Karate.
Posted 11/8/15

Morbidhanson wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.


Very risky. Taking the full brunt of a kick even with a block is pretty dangerous. You can fracture something since the leg is so much stronger than the arm. And it's your superior's leg, so he's presumably stronger and better-trained than you. I'd rather get winded than fracture a bone.

Not letting an opponent's strike make you lose your calm is pretty important. I've been kicked in the head, choked out, winded and left gasping for air, etc. It didn't deter me from using a type of attack. I just became smarter about when I used those attacks.


Maybe I miss worded it. I didn't block it. I took the hit to the ribs and then put my arm in blocking position, and push his leg against my body. Effectively keeping him in place. That something I usually don't do. I been attack with kick or kneed blows. But I dodge those attacks or counter them. Or has risky has it is, I grab the person leg or hit them before they finish the attack. I know it sound like bragging but I am really go a grabbing people by the arm, wrist,leg,fingers, neck, body. Also I know the pain of having broken bones during a fight. And yes with a broken arm, I still kick the other dude ass and won the fight.

I know better but I couldn't let it go. He hit me with his kneed multiple times in my stomach. He blow the air out me. It was suppose to be a friendly parring but he decide to be ass. He got under my skin. I need to get him back. So I took the risk.


I know the way you fight is smart and I fight like that too sometimes. But I prefer psychological. I let them hit me or do their thing. But when they see hitting me doesn't do anything. They lose confidence and are more likely to make mistakes during the fight. Again I no bragging but I can take hits that would put people in the hospital or out cold. I no strong compare to other people physically but I tougher than most people are. I also have better reflexes than most people.
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Posted 11/8/15

dichologos wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

I had grab my superior leg during a mid-kick. In a Jujitsu sparring with him. I let him hit me and them put my entire arm against it, pushing it against my side of my body. You know the block you do to stop a hit on your ribs ? I use that block has soon has he hit me and push it against my ribs side more than I normally would if I was blocking normally. I then proceed to pull him to me while simultaneously hit him several times with a turn punch with my knuckles facing downward. He never again try to kick me. If you are wondering why I let him hit me. Is payback. He hit me in the stomach with his kneed several times, blowing up the air out my body. Early in the sparring.


Very risky. Taking the full brunt of a kick even with a block is pretty dangerous. You can fracture something since the leg is so much stronger than the arm. And it's your superior's leg, so he's presumably stronger and better-trained than you. I'd rather get winded than fracture a bone.

Not letting an opponent's strike make you lose your calm is pretty important. I've been kicked in the head, choked out, winded and left gasping for air, etc. It didn't deter me from using a type of attack. I just became smarter about when I used those attacks.


Yeah, taking a direct block from a kick is risky, however, it depends highly on the type of kick.

Kicks tend to be much slower than punches, and once you are in the kicking motion there isn't much flexibility to move around the way you want.

So a good strategy to use against them is simply to avoid them, or strike faster than they can prepare their kick. If you bring a fight to fists, most kicks won't have enough power to really be a threat
. Though knee strikes and such can still be dangerous, if you aren't careful with them they leave you open to getting knocked on your ass.

Not a big fan of kicks, in short. To me, they are more meant as a form of deterrence and for feeling out your opponent. Against anybody who is competent, they have quite a few shortcomings, though the power is remarkable and it is obviously highly effective if properly trained.

My only real martial arts "training" however is in basic karate, so perhaps I'm just not aware of enough. I mainly just practice in my spare time, with whatever techniques from whichever particular styles seem effective. I'm in sore need of a sparring partner as well. Might join a gym just for that.


Since I have no experience with Karate, forgive my ignorance but I disagree. In TKD kicks are slow if you have sloppy form or heavy feet, but a basic roundhouse, side, or hook kick are extremely fast when executed well and you need very sharp reflexes to even block them, let alone dodge. They only slow down if you start adding steps to cover distance or spins to increase power behind the kick.

(However, this may only be the case because TKD is a very kicking-oriented martial art.)

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