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There's no real value in either than the value you place on it

It's likely those that do get educated but it doesn't result in the employment they dreamed off would pass down the skepticism surrounding education and what doors it opens to their children or those they know,and the opposite can also happen.

What you get is these terms thrown around because of the value placed on the one or the other.
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Education is a right, especially for the public schools system. Every person has the right to a proper and best education they can get. Now not every state gives the best education but at a time they did. Now I mainly talking public schools system mainly because of what LBJ did with it. Look him up for education and you will be amazed of what he really wanted kids of the United States to be able to do. Now University s are a different system. At a time it used to be a privilege to go to University. Now of days it is no longer a privilege but an opportunity. You do have a choice to go to college or not.
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Lala thinks both are neither... screw work & school.
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Should be a right unless you live in the bush, wearing bearskins and pissing on trees.
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Education is right. If people don't have the right to become educated, then we'll sink into the Dark Ages again, with dreary uneducated masses controlled by the word of those with "knowledge" on things.

Employment is a privilege though. Jobs are based on necessity, and without need, we as a society cannot guarantee employment. That's why social welfare and benefits exists at all, to lend a helping hand to those who cannot secure a source of income quickly enough to feed themselves.
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Employment shouldn't be a privilege most of the time only those who are better suited
but some jobs can very much be (and if you need a car, education on it, etc)

Education well not every area have had that much succes with it, I know few schools in america that nearly had to close because of bad behavior (don't learn much), volience (brining in knifes was a common thing, sometimes guns too) I think these was around Texas/new mexico or close.

Else education is not allways imporetent for jobs so long you have some "good" senses and knows how to do it (been trained up in mechanic's, trading etc) but much else is quite needed for everyone or if someone learn the others after they have been taught
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Neither, it is what it is.

If you want employment you need to be able to do something, but when there's nothing that you can do, or nobody who wants to employ you, then you can't be expected to do something.

On the subject of education, two hundred years ago they did perfectly fine with third grade educations. Nowadays, we have the internet. I expect that the level of education through high school is already easily available by using free online services. You can "educate" yourself with free classics.

So neither. The world will turn, and eventually we won't need to do work or have an education, but being able to work and using the accumulated knowledge of our ancestors will likely never be a bad thing.

Really, I think it's probably more who you know. If you know the right person, they can teach you what you should know to do the work they can help you do. And that makes you both educated and employable.


Yes anyone can learn or educate themselves with the access to libraries, internet and some exploration but without a recognised qualification backing what you've learnt employers don't take you seriously. We start learning from birth.

In the 21st century if you want you state to live up to a certain way of life then it is necessary to provide enough education and access to education. Here's the thing. Nothing is free. State provided education is paid for through taxes and or partly subsidised through taxes. Your taxes and or your parents' and family's taxes. I think we should do away with the concept that there's freeness.

My school life was mostly in what you'd consider a third world country. For most of that school life parents didn't have to put aside funds for schools fees except the few years when they opted out to try private education. When I was in secondary school (11-18) the teachers made us aware that our education was being paid for via taxes. (Education is state funded from ages 3 all the way up to university). We were told it was our prerogative what we did with our education. We were made aware that our parents, friends or even the teachers would not be doing our exams for us. It was solely up to us. Now there are some whose parents' gave them an edge by helping them with their home work or paying for extra private tuition after school and or weekends. I had after school extra tuition stints twice. There were also those who were deprived because parents would not or could not provide the equipment needed for studying or didn't make a study environment for their child. We never had a dedicated study area at home. I just did all work at school before classes. There's also those that did not see to their child's welfare properly. All of that does have an impact on how well one does in education. That's why many places have school meals supplied for those on low or no incomes. It's hard to concentrate when you're starving.
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brookline wrote:

Education and employment are required for sustaining life, meaning to earn an income to pay for one's cost of living.

So my question for you is:

Should education and employment be treated as a right or privilege?


Education and employment are not rights, nor are they privileges.

Both are necessities to your existence. Uneducated people seldom find higher paying employment, which reduces their ability to care for themselves and their families.

It is, however, imperative for a nation-state to insure that access to both education and employment is as broad as possible, in order to find future civic and military leaders, productively manage the resources of those nation-states, and improve the overall revenue stream for the nation-state.

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They are both a necessity for a stable and peaceful state.
Does not matter if right or privilege.
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It's not a matter of what you're entitled to. Your country can't make money if you're all sick and stupid.
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I have a right to keep the money I earn, NOT to pay for another's privilege; students who don't merit their privilege should loose their "right" to a "free" education.
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I have a right to keep the money I earn, NOT to pay for another's privilege; students who don't merit their privilege should loose their "right" to a "free" education.
Do you? last time I've checked tax evasion isn't a right....
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tkayt wrote:
Yes anyone can learn or educate themselves with the access to libraries, internet and some exploration but without a recognised qualification backing what you've learnt employers don't take you seriously. We start learning from birth.

In the 21st century if you want you state to live up to a certain way of life then it is necessary to provide enough education and access to education. Here's the thing. Nothing is free. State provided education is paid for through taxes and or partly subsidised through taxes. Your taxes and or your parents' and family's taxes. I think we should do away with the concept that there's freeness.

My school life was mostly in what you'd consider a third world country. For most of that school life parents didn't have to put aside funds for schools fees except the few years when they opted out to try private education. When I was in secondary school (11-18) the teachers made us aware that our education was being paid for via taxes. (Education is state funded from ages 3 all the way up to university). We were told it was our prerogative what we did with our education. We were made aware that our parents, friends or even the teachers would be doing our exams for us. It was solely up to us. Now there are some whose parents' gave them an edge by helping them with their home work or paying for extra private tuition after school and or weekends. I had an after school extra tuition stint twice. There were also those who were deprived because parents would not or could not provide the equipment needed for studying or didn't make a study environment for their child. We never had a dedicated study area at home. I just did all work at school before classes. There's also those that did see to their child's welfare properly. All of that does have an impact on how well one does in education. That's why many places have school meals supplied for those on low or no incomes. It's hard to concentrate when you're starving.


I agree.
To an extent at least, it's difficult to specify exactly what one means when using terms like "A thorough education."
And I've yet to read anything that says networking is a bad idea.
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After Graduated from PC Repair and Networking I and II. I got the job at the court house and for a while its ok. Not bad for a deaf guy who had lousy teacher at Public school (Middle School and 10th grade). I mean they didn't know how to teach me because I was Deaf and I wasn't disciplined.. I get frustrated easily. I basically didn't learn a thing though out middle school and 10th grade till I decided to go to Deaf School and it changed me completely. I missed out so much that I had to catch up.. and still behind but learned so much.

Than that when I went to Technical school and than got the Job at Court house, but after a while I wasn't happy and slowly getting burnt out and they wanted me to learn Java. They had 3 or 4 Java programmers and now they want me to learn Java! >.< So that added another Stress level.. The thing is I still got the bad habit from public school.. I didn't gain strong Discipline, and since I only had little time at Deaf School since I only spent 2 years over there on trying to catch up what I missed out from 7th grade to 10th grade.. I got fucked by the Public school!

So they lay me off.. I just didn't have will power to get back up.. So I gave up on PC and networking.

I admire Asian getting Good Education, because I heard that in Japan they only have like two week or month of summer break and that it, they return to school. I guess I'm envy of them! :p

I don't know about Right or Privilege.. Maybe I did had the Privileged of going to Deaf school to awaken myself.

When I think about it, I wish I started going Deaf school since I was little.. I don't know, I mean if I did.. Than I probably start wishing I go to Public school instead... @_@
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We just need more demand for jobs and less people to fill them. Solution: smaller population & destroy all the machines. In Australia tertiary education is provided by the government under a debt system where they cover all costs which the student must pay back once they earn over a certain threshold (i believe its something like 40-50 thousand dollars/year) So even with more accessible education unemployment still occurs a lot, especially when university is technically a business and aims to "give you an education, not a job" which is probably one of the problems.. Like why am I wasting 5 years of my life at Uni to get a job which i could probably learn in the first few months of employment?
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