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Posted 2/8/08 , edited 2/9/08
If you drive a AT... well... i guess you can read this topic.. but it's going to prove somewhat useless since you don't have a MT.

*if you don't know how to drive a MT or if you just learned how to drive a MT, DO NOT DO THE FOLLOWING*

text on why you should do it, and how you can do it.

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/articles/45792/article.html (not as indepth)

http://www.waycoolinc.com/z3/essentials/fixit/heeltoe/shifting.htm (much more technical)

video representation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yhcMru5g2U

yeah.. i got bored of just driving the way i do... so i decided to spice things up by learning some more techniques. you know... just to me smarter than those i teach to use MTs. xD just to keep myself in power ya know XDDDD

from personal experience. it's *really* hard.. (i'm untalented if you haven't noticed xD)
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Posted 2/8/08
way too long to bother reading
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Posted 2/9/08

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updated lah~~!

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Heel toeing is kinda hard because you have to rev match and down shift + set up for correct angle to take a corner all in the matter of seconds.

If you want to improve your heel toe... just leave your tiny (un-razo) pedals alone.

Practice in shoes with thin soles... I'd do it in socks (hehehe pardon the joke...), but the pedals hurt my toes, and i get carpet burn on my heel.

Double shift thing is somewhat unnecessary.. Im not at that level where I find a use for it, nor am i a big rig driver...

Left foot braking--- errr....yeah dont try this without some practice...or you'll send someone's car right into your back seat... In FF cars, you can prevent understeer by utilizing left foot braking during cornering.

Thats all I know at the moment.... Weightshifting....counterlock.....blah blah just watch american touge 2 on google video... 1h30m long video... they drive a bunch of cars and talk about the pros and cons... it's in english so check it out.

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Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun
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Posted 2/23/08

Azn_Boi wrote:

Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun :P


hehe yea, i left foot brake a lot, i also leave my foot slightly on the clutch pedal...show vids when i have the time to get it up (no not riding the clutch)
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left foot braking is kinda hard the first time you try it, i know it was hard for me because i hit the brake like i was stepping on the clutch so that i was kinda nerve wracking but once you've got it down then you'll be good to go. heel and toe is a good skill to have. engine braking is one i would suggest learning because as i have experienced you don't always need to use heel-and-toe but thats only from what i've experienced.
Posted 3/2/08
Heel-Toe I would prefer that...I do it all the time...I need to match the engine rev before I corner so...I got better corner speed especially when I drift.....but I do grip driving everyday.
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Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun :P


Double clutching is for cars which don't have synchronizers which connect the gears to the drive shaft together, other wise they will grind, creating a lot of wear in your tranny, and you will probably wreck it.
Pretty much they are rings that surround your gears and move only so much as there are other synchronizers and they transmit the input to the output by connecting the gears to the shaft. Plus, we use helical cut gears now, so there isn't a great chance of grinding, unless your some dolt. Pretty much saying, smooth shifting without the need to double clutch. There's really no point to double clutch on modern cars, unlike larger vehicles like on some trucks, you might have to to prevent grinding. I think it goes, clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, clutch in, shift to new gear(Not sure when though...), and clutch out. But to double clutch, takes a lot of practice and is some what impractical now a days.
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Azn_Boi wrote:

Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun :P


Double clutching is for cars which don't have synchronizers which connect the gears to the drive shaft together, other wise they will grind, creating a lot of wear in your tranny, and you will probably wreck it.
Pretty much they are rings that surround your gears and move only so much as there are other synchronizers and they transmit the input to the output by connecting the gears to the shaft. Plus, we use helical cut gears now, so there isn't a great chance of grinding, unless your some dolt. Pretty much saying, smooth shifting without the need to double clutch. There's really no point to double clutch on modern cars, unlike larger vehicles like on some trucks, you might have to to prevent grinding. I think it goes, clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, clutch in, shift to new gear(Not sure when though...), and clutch out. But to double clutch, takes a lot of practice and is some what impractical now a days.


Double clutching is not really so much connecting the gears but allowing the engine speed to slow down and match the speed of the drivetrain. It is not USLESS even on modern cars. Even thought modern cars are synchronized the actually synchronizer gears themselves can befit from double clutching.

Helical gears grind more than straight cut gears BTW. Its just that the helical gears have synchronizers and the straight cuts done.
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TheTravelingSword wrote:


Azn_Boi wrote:

Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun :P


Double clutching is for cars which don't have synchronizers which connect the gears to the drive shaft together, other wise they will grind, creating a lot of wear in your tranny, and you will probably wreck it.
Pretty much they are rings that surround your gears and move only so much as there are other synchronizers and they transmit the input to the output by connecting the gears to the shaft. Plus, we use helical cut gears now, so there isn't a great chance of grinding, unless your some dolt. Pretty much saying, smooth shifting without the need to double clutch. There's really no point to double clutch on modern cars, unlike larger vehicles like on some trucks, you might have to to prevent grinding. I think it goes, clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, clutch in, shift to new gear(Not sure when though...), and clutch out. But to double clutch, takes a lot of practice and is some what impractical now a days.


Double clutching is not really so much connecting the gears but allowing the engine speed to slow down and match the speed of the drivetrain. It is not USLESS even on modern cars. Even thought modern cars are synchronized the actually synchronizer gears themselves can befit from double clutching.

Helical gears grind more than straight cut gears BTW. Its just that the helical gears have synchronizers and the straight cuts done.


Really? Haven't worked on a tranny for a while xD, mostly exhaust and engine jobs
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TheTravelingSword wrote:


lasthope05 wrote:


TheTravelingSword wrote:


Azn_Boi wrote:

Lol, i love heel and toe, do it all the time. Once u get the technique down, it's quite easy. Well anyway, double shifting? do you mean double clutching? If you do then it's actually bad to do double clutching for modern cars. Why? cuz double clutching was meant for the older transmission (really old car, definitely be antique cars, 25+ yrs old) The reason double clutching is bad for modern car because it creates wear and tear on the transmission gear, modern cars is much more synchronize. I try left foot braking, yea it felt weird, but gonna practice it just for fun :P


Double clutching is for cars which don't have synchronizers which connect the gears to the drive shaft together, other wise they will grind, creating a lot of wear in your tranny, and you will probably wreck it.
Pretty much they are rings that surround your gears and move only so much as there are other synchronizers and they transmit the input to the output by connecting the gears to the shaft. Plus, we use helical cut gears now, so there isn't a great chance of grinding, unless your some dolt. Pretty much saying, smooth shifting without the need to double clutch. There's really no point to double clutch on modern cars, unlike larger vehicles like on some trucks, you might have to to prevent grinding. I think it goes, clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, clutch in, shift to new gear(Not sure when though...), and clutch out. But to double clutch, takes a lot of practice and is some what impractical now a days.


Double clutching is not really so much connecting the gears but allowing the engine speed to slow down and match the speed of the drivetrain. It is not USLESS even on modern cars. Even thought modern cars are synchronized the actually synchronizer gears themselves can befit from double clutching.

Helical gears grind more than straight cut gears BTW. Its just that the helical gears have synchronizers and the straight cuts done.


Really? Haven't worked on a tranny for a while xD, mostly exhaust and engine jobs


Have you rebuilt a tranny yet? If so what kind?....
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just a few times, I think one of them came from an old Honda and another from a Ford... not sure, since a lot of parts are just lying around, waiting to be fixed, or be fiddled with xD
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For some odd reason, I can't turn my foot enough to do a heel and toe. What is ever weirder is that I can use my big toe and little toe so seperately I can do what I call a 'toe and toe' technique. It's the same thing as the heel and toe, except I just do it with the front of my foot. Don't ask me how; I just do it.

Other than that, I normally feint.
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Posted 3/2/08

ultimasephirothx wrote:

For some odd reason, I can't turn my foot enough to do a heel and toe. What is ever weirder is that I can use my big toe and little toe so seperately I can do what I call a 'toe and toe' technique. It's the same thing as the heel and toe, except I just do it with the front of my foot. Don't ask me how; I just do it.

Other than that, I normally feint.


Lol most people that heel and toe don't actually turn their whole feet sideway, i know alot of ppl that just use the side of their feet.
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