I agree with the fact that certain expectations are well expected of what may be entirely different mediums. For example, you'd expect Disney film to be different than something on the Disney Channel. (Sadly.) I chastise because I feel it is an insult to say something is an anime when it is not, and basically saying something is something else rather than representative of what it truly is. This tokenism is something you see a lot of times in racist context and there's no need for it to be here. There's no need to say he is "one of the good, submissive blacks" or for anyone to say this is an "american anime" when it is not an anime. I truly believe cartoons are capable of matching up to anime, but to call them anime as well insults the past quality works done by Westerners.
Yes, I compared it to racism.
Damn you reply fast! You didn't get to see my edits
Hmmm I think I finally understand where you are coming from. You're sticking to the origin definition, but you also do not look down upon cartoons and you believe they can match up to the quality of certain animes. Mmmkay, I can dig.
But what do you do when you have creators, like that of RWBY, that claim their work is an american made anime? They believe their work is not a cartoon, thus they are essentially creating a different genre.
Like I said in my long, first post, cartoons are viewed in the West as kid-orientated which is why people don't like the term (including myself). Which is why people are looking for outlet terms to describe shows like RWBY and Korra that are hybrids.
And what about shows that are animated in Japan, but produced/written by westerners? Or even vice versa. What are those?
This is what I'm trying to get at here is that there is a lot people, myself included, that believe anime isn't just based on origin, but is something more. You can't just say, "nope they're wrong", when the origin definition doesn't have anymore ground than the style definition. They were both created by westerner interpretations, when the original definition in Japan means its for all animation! See what I'm getting at here? Both definitions are flawed and up to interpretation!!
Thus, why we need new words and terms to better describe these things
Da shit? Page 4 doesn't exist?!?!?
EDIT 2: That was really weird, there was no page 4 for a while and my post was just sitting in limbo until Jerry posted
So here are two early very popular classic examples of anime that were on American TV viewed as cartoons the blend already started in the 1960's
Speed Racer / 1967 US Broadcasts / actually publshed in Comics
Speed Racer, also known as Mach GoGoGo (Japanese: マッハGoGoGo Hepburn: Mahha GōGōGō?), is a Japanese animated franchise about automobile racing. Mach GoGoGo was originally serialized in print in Shueisha's 1966 Shōnen Book. It was released in tankōbon book form by Sun Wide Comics, and later re-released in Japan by Fusosha. Adapted into anime by Tatsunoko Productions, its 52 episodes aired on Fuji TV from April 1967 to March 1968. The anime was later re-broadcast on Tokyo MX from July 1 to September 25, 2008.
Selected chapters of the manga were released by NOW Comics in the 1990s under the title Speed Racer Classics. These were later released by Wildstorm Productions, a division of DC Comics, as Speed Racer: The Original Manga. In 2008, under its Americanized title, Speed Racer, Mach GoGoGo was republished in its entirety in the United States by Digital Manga Publishing and was released as a box set to commemorate the franchise's 40th anniversary, as well as serving as a tie-in with the 2008 film. The television series itself is an early example of anime becoming a successful franchise in the United States, spawning multiple spinoffs in both print and broadcast media.
The English rights to Mach GoGoGo were acquired by syndicator Trans-Lux, and Speed Racer premiered on American television in the fall of 1967
Astro Boy (1963 TV series)
Astro Boy by Tetsuwan Atomu, " is a Japanese television series that premiered on Fuji TV on New Year's Day and is the first popular animated Japanese television series that embodied the aesthetic that later became familiar worldwide as anime. It originated as a manga of the same name in 1952 by Osamu Tezuka, revered in Japan as the "God of Manga." After enjoying success both in Japan and abroad as the first anime to be broadcast overseas, Astro Boy was remade in the 1980s under the same name(s), and in 2003 as Astro Boy: Mighty Atom. It lasted for four seasons, with a total of 193 episodes, the final episode presented on New Year's Eve 1966. At its height it was watched by 40% of the Japanese population who had access to a TV.
For the English version, the producers, NBC Enterprises settled on "Astro Boy" after discussions between producer Fred Ladd and representatives from NBC. Of the first 124 episodes created (there were 193 total), 104 were adapted into the English version by Fred Ladd, and initially syndicated from September 7, 1963 through August 20, 1965, with repeats continuing until the series was withdrawn from syndication in the early 1970s. The names were adjusted for American audiences. Frederik L. Schodt, who created the English version of the original comic, said that the names were “cleverly” changed for American tastes
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Anime all the way!
Anime has real stories, plots, great characters.
The background of the stories are amazing.
The characters development are so good.
The cliffhangers at the end of the show makes you watch the whole season in one night.
Cartoons are cool and funny.
But not as good as anime
Anime all day everyday!!!
Avatar isn't an attempt at anime. There's nothing anime-like about it so that fails as an example. If it's that wonderful then why did they have to post it online first before it could get attention? Clearly no TV companies had any faith in it.
Avatar and Legend of Korra have art styles in the vein of Japanese anime, instead of using cartoon styling thus both are fitting examples. Also I'm pretty sure that RWBY is viewed by Rooster Teeth as "anime-inspired" or as its own thing a la "RWBY is RWBY", instead of as an 'attempt at anime'. I would also point to it getting a manga adaptation as further evidence of being accepted into the anime/manga space.
RWBY may have become popular but again, it still doesn't look like anime and it started off as a web series
It actually does "look like anime", only its a different way of presenting it which makes it seem different. Its similar to Appleseed Ex Machina.
If it's that wonderful then why did they have to post it online first before it could get attention? Clearly no TV companies had any faith in it.
Rooster Teeth is primarily an online company so it makes full sense they'd do online first, not to mention this was a fresh product that they did what they usually do and tested to see if it was viable (they did the same with "X-ray and Vav").
I do want to make sure to say that if you don't see RWBY as an anime or it doesn't meet your criteria for it that's fine/is a valid opinion, I'm mostly pointing out reasons others do and speaking my own opinion on this.
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Judging by the success of Avatar, Legend of Korra, and RWBY I'd say this isn't accurate. If anything I'd actually say Japanese anime should take some notes from these (not completely change how they do things, but just take some ideas away).
What is the point in randomly mashing things together? It worked perfectly fine the way it was. Don't try and fix what isn't broken.
Mashing things together means opening new doors/ideas/concepts than them being separate. Does mixing always work? No, but when it does its usually great.
As for the "it worked perfectly fine the way it was", if this is in reference to Japanese anime then I'd disagree since its basically been throwing around the same concepts/archetypes/stories for a while and in recent times has started resorting to use of service to sell things. Not to mention how it treats female characters and same-sex couples (just for service and not for actual development).
And keep in mind that for some the reason for using 'anime' literally just boils down to it being the easiest/simplest term to use for Avatar, LoK, and RWBY. Its not people trying to undermine the term or genre.
Avatar isn't an attempt at anime. There's nothing anime-like about it so that fails as an example. RWBY may have become popular but again, it still doesn't look like anime and it started off as a web series. If it's that wonderful then why did they have to post it online first before it could get attention? Clearly no TV companies had any faith in it.
You kidding? Avatar is very anime-like, the animation and artstyle is very reminiscent of your average anime.
And RWBY just uses 3D polygons, but it still has "the look". It reminds of Tales of graphics.
It uses 3D polygons just like Knights of Sidonia, Paradise Lost, and the upcoming Ajin. Are you gonna tell me those aren't animes either because they're 3D?
And what about Ping Pong the Animation? That looks nothing like your traditional anime, are you gonna tell me that isn't an anime as well?
And Rooster Teeth distributes all their goods online, so no duh RWBY would be the same. Also at the time they made it, it was on a smaller scale, but now its grown bigger. It has become successful on CR and its the perfect place to put it on and it has grown popular because of it. There is no point for it to venture into the realm of TV, it's base is anime fans that already watch everything online anyways. And no TV channels even take animes except for Adult Swim during its Toonami block that airs once a week. Plus, it has been released in Japan recently with its own Japanese dub. It's doing just fine, don't you worry.
Isn't anime basically Japan's form of animation, and American animated media is often referred to as "cartoons"? They're basically both animated productions, from differing countries, but by that definition I think both could be considered to be some sort of cartoon.
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