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I'm not manipulative, nor am I easy to manipulate; unless you happen to be my wife.
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More of the type to get manipulated. Not no more though. I could write a textwall on manipulative bastards and bitches I've run across.

The only one that could manipulate me these days is my boyfriend. Vice versa as well. The only reason our relationship is so wonderful though is because we don't, at least not intentionally. If we have any issues we're quick to fire at it. It's all about trust and that has been hard earned for the both of us.


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The only one that could manipulate me these days is my boyfriend. Vice versa as well. The only reason our relationship is so wonderful though is because we don't, at least not intentionally. If we have any issues we're quick to fire at it. It's all about trust and that has been hard earned for the both of us.


That wasn't bragging at all. I'm sure you're so damn perfect.

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Also, I'm curious how that one guy said Amazon didn't manipulate me when they did just that? They didn't owe me anything, they could have just given me my money and I would have spent it somewhere else. But the free gift isn't "goodwill" but rather a way to coax me back into shopping there again, and it'll work. Eh.... I need to sleep, I got work -_-
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I think a good documentary about manipulation on the large scale is "The Century of the Self" it's about Sigmend Freud, his wife Anna, and his nephew Edward Bernays ,and the influence they had in a lot of the things back in there day. It's pretty good.
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Just remember that the Bavarian Illuminati tried to take control of the French Revolution of 1792 and install on every street corner an illuminist high priest.

So just remember when you see all these countries destabilizing each other that there's always some kind of ringleader, some secretive organization benefiting from all the bloodshed and different political views in the world, like the Freemasons, or like when JFK's assassinators called "The executives" used neo-communist radical AND former US Marine Lee Harvey Oswald as a perfect scapegoat to murder the POTUS.

My sources: Alex Jones
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Well, the way I see it, manipulation is a completely natural way for things to happen in the world. Usually people define "manipulative" to mean "persuade in a way which is not completely honest, or persuade in way that involves ulterior motivation". I bring this up because these definitions are just negative connotations of the word, whereas "to manipulate" just means to influence or guide, neutrally.

However, before anybody goes pointing fingers at others for being manipulative, why not ask yourself the question: What is the ulterior motivation? If you know what it is, in the case of a company (which is to make money), you cannot criticize the company for being disingenuous for their sorrow, because you already know it's fake and they don't really care about you on a personal level. If you cannot think of ulterior motivation for "manipulation", then you may need to consider that there is no manipulation involved.

That being said, I think that "manipulation" isn't that bad. I often see people pointing to "manipulation" as a reason to continue to think or hate somebody or something the same way they do, no matter how the actual evidence is presented to them. I see manipulation as just another tool; people have tried to manipulate me in the past, and I often go along with it because I believe in altruism. I'm also extremely irritated about those whom are paranoid about everything, and live their lives full of hatred and fear because "everybody is out to get them", "politicians are all liars", "everyone is just as selfish and egoistic as I am". I think that dealing with manipulation is simple, if you suspect actual dishonest and machiavellian foul play then don't be influenced, if there is any possibility that someone is trying to be genuine with you then give them a chance or something.
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Well, the way I see it, manipulation is a completely natural way for things to happen in the world. Usually people define "manipulative" to mean "persuade in a way which is not completely honest, or persuade in way that involves ulterior motivation". I bring this up because these definitions are just negative connotations of the word, whereas "to manipulate" just means to influence or guide, neutrally.

However, before anybody goes pointing fingers at others for being manipulative, why not ask yourself the question: What is the ulterior motivation? If you know what it is, in the case of a company (which is to make money), you cannot criticize the company for being disingenuous for their sorrow, because you already know it's fake and they don't really care about you on a personal level. If you cannot think of ulterior motivation for "manipulation", then you may need to consider that there is no manipulation involved.

That being said, I think that "manipulation" isn't that bad. I often see people pointing to "manipulation" as a reason to continue to think or hate somebody or something the same way they do, no matter how the actual evidence is presented to them. I see manipulation as just another tool; people have tried to manipulate me in the past, and I often go along with it because I believe in altruism. I'm also extremely irritated about those whom are paranoid about everything, and live their lives full of hatred and fear because "everybody is out to get them", "politicians are all liars", "everyone is just as selfish and egoistic as I am". I think that dealing with manipulation is simple, if you suspect actual dishonest and machiavellian foul play then don't be influenced, if there is any possibility that someone is trying to be genuine with you then give them a chance or something.


Could not have put it better myself. It really depends on the implementation. Opinions are, in a way, merely manifactured so we may persuade ourselves to give consent. Those that you find to be paranoid might allow themselves to be manipulated even more so because they are most likely unreasonable towards what is likely beneficial towards their own self interest - If nothing is favorable then you simply do not grow out of self-manipulation.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

More of the type to get manipulated. Not no more though. I could write a textwall on manipulative bastards and bitches I've run across.

The only one that could manipulate me these days is my boyfriend. Vice versa as well. The only reason our relationship is so wonderful though is because we don't, at least not intentionally. If we have any issues we're quick to fire at it. It's all about trust and that has been hard earned for the both of us.
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Yeah I would also love that trying a bit on eachother but also tries to comeback if something done wrong or something.



Insanerino wrote: That being said, I think that "manipulation" isn't that bad.
MK as well (depends on what you do with it or for a "reset")

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Magical-Soul wrote:

That wasn't bragging at all. I'm sure you're so damn perfect.

/salt

Also, I'm curious how that one guy said Amazon didn't manipulate me when they did just that? They didn't owe me anything, they could have just given me my money and I would have spent it somewhere else. But the free gift isn't "goodwill" but rather a way to coax me back into shopping there again, and it'll work. Eh.... I need to sleep, I got work -_-


Lol. Love is vulnerability. I may love my life as it is now, but you're aware as much as I am that improvement comes from recognizing flaws, not ignoring them.

I don't think Amazon or stores that use that form of persuasion is per se manipulation. It be difficult to label them as having been deceptive about it, as opposed to obvious and nearly expected.
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Manipulate funny what first 3 letters spell I have a lot of friends that use manipulation as a tool goes well with delegation hand and hand. I think a lot of beautiful women use manipulation to get what they desire or want sure why not
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PrinceJudar wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:

That wasn't bragging at all. I'm sure you're so damn perfect.

/salt

Also, I'm curious how that one guy said Amazon didn't manipulate me when they did just that? They didn't owe me anything, they could have just given me my money and I would have spent it somewhere else. But the free gift isn't "goodwill" but rather a way to coax me back into shopping there again, and it'll work. Eh.... I need to sleep, I got work -_-


Lol. Love is vulnerability. I may love my life as it is now, but you're aware as much as I am that improvement comes from recognizing flaws, not ignoring them.

I don't think Amazon or stores that use that form of persuasion is per se manipulation. It be difficult to label them as having been deceptive about it, as opposed to obvious and nearly expected.


It's strange how you're always online whenever I get on break and lunch. Maybe your schedule is just like mine?

Yes, I know. I'm confident in myself(and flaws), I just get really envious when I see young happy young couples since it already feels like I'm 36 and everyone else has been in love since high school. When think about having to meet the guy, + build a relationship + getting stable to have a family + the time of creating one I get super impatient. Fuck, my break is over.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

It's strange how you're always online whenever I get on break and lunch. Maybe your schedule is just like mine?

Yes, I know. I'm confident in myself(and flaws), I just get really envious when I see young happy young couples since it already feels like I'm 36 and everyone else has been in love since high school. When think about having to meet the guy, + build a relationship + getting stable to have a family + the time of creating one I get super impatient. Fuck, my break is over.


My schedule is all over the place because of labs and shit I got going on. It'll be more regular next year when I start full time. So I'm home sipping on coffee, but tomorrow I have to be in the lab again.

It's difficult to not get impatient. It really does take a lot of time. Nothing ever goes according to plan though and especially nowadays. Many people put off long term relationships for after college now.



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Nyanotic wrote:

When I am manipulative, I'm blunt as a rock. If I want someone to leave me alone, I wont try to manipulate them into doing it, I just say something along the lines of "stop bothering me, go fuck off and die" except in a much more pleasant manner.


That's more along the lines of asserting your boundaries, not manipulation.


Small difference, the point is that I'm not very subtle.

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