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Cenric wrote: How are you going to stop people from creating ideas or using these ideas to manipulate people? Are we going to throw people in jail for reading a book we don't like now?

Instead of blaming religions, let us teach people how to think for themselves, think rationally, question information, make their own values etc.
Why would anyone throw you in jail because of an book?...
Not fully on religion.. much can be blamed and not only 1 thing as most people think of when someone says something close to that..

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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote: This foolishness of hatred towards other people will never end as long as people have hatred in their hearts and mask it with good.
You mean on religion or on real people?
I would say I don't hate religious people but more of what religion does and how it is now for them.
Even though some is mostly behind or groupes supporting stuff that will make it as bad or having faith in such acts.





Everyone, religious or not.
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Freddy96NO wrote:
Why would anyone throw you in jail because of an book?...
Not fully on religion.. much can be blamed and not only 1 thing as most people think of when someone says something close to that..


Well, I guess the point was that words and information in general are not at fault for the actions of human beings. You can't punish a book or the readers of a book because some nut head goes and does something violent because of something he read in the book.
Same applies to religions and their religious books.

Maybe it doesn't make sense but that was the point of that question.
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Do you really think people will becomes buddies if religion goes? Humans will fight over anything and everything. Just my opinion.
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GrandMasterTime wrote: Do you really think people will becomes buddies if religion goes?
no... I said less, like less a reason to do things and more reasons to think for themselfs.

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Terrorism of this breed is more the result of contextual situations than the ideas themselves. For instance many middle eastern countries are going through a "youth bulge" this is when young individuals are over represented in a given population. This couples with high levels of social and economic inequity, impoverishment, and also a population that skews male. The result is a colossal glut of frustrated young men leading aimless lives suffering from unemployment and dim marriage prospects. There are too many men for too few jobs and too many men with not enough eligible partners. They're adrift and vulnerable, unable to fully participate in society and are thus very susceptible to radical ideologies which allow them to channel that frustration and provide a sense of purpose. Add onto all of this a history of western interference in the middle east building up massive ressentiment against global north powers and you have fertile soil for the spread of fundamentalist islam. 79


That's why they flock to the more radical tenets of politicized fundamental-Islam that promises to find a political solution that will put those sinful, wanton female lustbuckets back in their "place", promise stronger civil punishments that they "deserve", and quit taking jobs, marriages, college educations and social standing away from poor persecuted guys who were promised five thousand years ago that they had inherited the earth.

At least, that's the attraction for the more aimless and purposeless members, rather than the more politically motivated purposes of the groups themselves--
When Al-Qaeda attacked the WTC twice, it wasn't "despising freedom" or "humiliating the NYC skyline" they were after, but just a cheap symbol of the US's "international commerce", ie. our oil alliance with the Saudis. Oh, you do know that Bin Laden's chief goal was going after the Saudi royal house, don't you?--We were just cheap effect and would-be trolling material.
Nowadays, judging from most of the intelligence monitored after the Paris and Mali attacks, we now have Al-Qaeda and ISIS basically trying to b***h-slap each other, since one has lost most of its old guard and influence, and the other has a younger base that keeps its members connected on the Internet, and somebody's got to get those valuable new recruit bombers to replace the old ones.
Yes, as Monty Python pointed out twenty-five years ago, it now HAS become The People's Front of Judea vs. the Judean People's Front.

The point being, no matter how English-impaired the OP may be (yeah, might want to spend a weekend looking through The Elements of Style, there, Latka?), it still helps to take a closer look at "Losers", not "Boogeymen" when analyzing the news stories--Real terrorists don't drink champagne, pet Persian cats, talk like Alan Rickman from "Die Hard" or spout generic "decadent Americans" cliche's like the Mandarin in "Iron Man 3".
If you're still trying to work out personal issues by blaming "Religion" for Al-Qaeda and ISIS trying to hog each other's news cameras like Justin Bieber vs. 1D, how naive could you be?? Yes, Muslims trying to use sweeping abstract pronouncements about personal religious beliefs to try and attack their own political frustrations about the current world situation is bad, isn't it, Freddy?
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Nalaniel wrote:

By peace-loving religions, I was talking about Taoism and Buddhism. There might have been extreme deviations that caused harm, but I haven't heard of them. Christianity (and all its branches) and Islam are infamous for taking the lives of millions.


So you've not heard anything about the Buddhists in Myanmar killing the Rohingya muslims purely out of hatred for them? Or the fact that the state of Myanmar has also introduced laws restricting their freedoms and such? Myanmar is also a primarily Buddhist state.
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So you're saying they all need to be wiped out. Gotcha.
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brigand554 wrote: So you're saying they all need to be wiped out. Gotcha.
not at all -__-


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That's funny because if you read the QURAN, you'd know that aggression is forbidden and that fighting is only permitted in self defense.

The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, they are told to stop fighting.

Here are some examples:



Here's another question consistently asked by the public: Does Islam recommend or justify killing of disbelievers or those who decide to leave the religion? The answer is an emphatic "No". God makes it very clear in the Quran, that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). Free will is one of God's precious gifts to humanity, and human beings cannot take away what God gave man. If someone does not wish to believe, they are to be left alone and not forced in any manner. A submitter's (muslim) job is simply to invite people to God's religion with kind enlightenment (16:125).



There are a number of people who will quote parts of verses out of context, either out of ignorance, or deliberately, to promote a false view of the religion. The "violent" verses only relate to war situations. As mentioned before, all wars and fighting are only in self-defense.

ALSO- TAKE NOTE that out of the 6,346 verses in the Quran, a very small percentage talk about "war". Islam being a practical religion does cover the legitimacy of fighting as well as when it is unjustified. The believers in the time of Muhammad had to face hostile opposition because of their religious views, and were in many cases forced to fight to save their lives. However, the bulk of the Quran, as the religion of Islam in general, focuses on worshipping God, leading a righteous life and attaining salvation in the Hereafter. Read the book before claiming such disrespectful allegations.
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hum1d wrote:ALSO- TAKE NOT that out of the 6,346 verses in the Quran, a very small percentage talk about "war". Islam being a practical religion does cover the legitimacy of fighting as well as when it is unjustified. The believers in the time of Muhammad had to face hostile opposition because of their religious views, and were in many cases forced to fight to save their lives.


As opposed to early Christianity, which was also under persecution and attack, but when one of the Apostles tried to fight back against the Romans with a sword in self-defense, the advice was "Uh.....don't do that."
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hum1d wrote: That's funny because if you read the QURAN, you'd know that aggression is forbidden and that fighting is only permitted in self defense.

The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, they are told to stop fighting.
well say that to those who only follows a religion that does not have time or want to understand what the book said (only knows the few parts like stoning etc)
Even if they are muslims does not mean they have read the quran either, same with the christians.

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Freddy96NO wrote:


hum1d wrote: That's funny because if you read the QURAN, you'd know that aggression is forbidden and that fighting is only permitted in self defense.

The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, they are told to stop fighting.
well say that to those who only follows a religion that does not have time or want to understand what the book said (only knows the few parts like stoning etc)
Even if they are muslims does not mean they have read the quran either, same with the christians.


So, basically, we're back to complaining that the problem is people who don't read carefully, then, or just get pushy about their own personal ideas?
And this relates to "The Expunging of All Religion"....how, exactly?

(No, that was rhetoric, please don't answer. PLEASE. It's a weekend, go easy on yourself.)
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