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I would say until you take in your first breath and inhale a piece of the great spirit that covers the earth you don't have a spirit yet. Then when your last breath is done it returns to the great spirit to enrich it further. That is why all living things have spirits.
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My mind.
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id say the second one. but really i have no idea
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haikinka wrote:

My mind.


Don't steal my swag, I'm the mind-taker round these here parts.
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Don't steal my swag, I'm the mind-taker round these here parts.


You're only saying that because you're a figment of my mind-sleep.
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From the woodwork.
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dotsforlife wrote:

Do we need to have the birds and the bees talk?

You see... When a man loves a woman...


^^ This and maybe a Human Anatomy refresher course on the Reproductive System is needed.
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haikinka wrote:


thekevin4 wrote:

Don't steal my swag, I'm the mind-taker round these here parts.


You're only saying that because you're a figment of my mind-sleep.


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testicles
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testicles


In part.<3
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thekevin4 wrote:


ILuvCats11 wrote:


thekevin4 wrote:


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People come from vaginas... it's science.


People can be born out of stomachs aswell cant they


Go ask your Mom


No shes asleep on the sofa watching the royal family.


If she is asleep then she's not really watching the royal family now, is she?!




No I mean she fell asleep watching the royle family (spelt it wrong before its royle).
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is it so hard for people to post something with a remotely intellectual approach? I mean I realize this is an anime forum, but if you're going to spout an opinion or create an opportunity for them to be presented at least produce some factual data to the lay a foundation.

Okay so first of all, "people" is pretty ambiguous so let's breakdown the billions of humans on our planet to establish a relative norm to belief's in where humans come from.



In the United States, Christians will decline from more than three-quarters of the population in 2010 to two-thirds in 2050, with corresponding rises of religious “nones” as well as Muslims, Hindus and others. At mid-century, Judaism will no longer be the largest non-Christian religion in the U.S.: Muslims are projected to be more numerous than people who identify as Jewish on the basis of religion.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/02/7-key-changes-in-the-global-religious-landscape/

Out of the current population, based off of an end of year 2011 Pew Research Poll:






In specific to your statement that "people believe that all human souls are in heaven, then they are born" - that is certainly not a norm. In fact, Mormons are the only denomination that I am aware of that teaches pre-existence. The Bible is rather clear that we are not pre-existent; Paul in

1 Corinthians 15: 46-49: - 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first, but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will[k] also bear the image of the man of heaven.

In chapter 15 Paul addresses our resurrected body in heaven; which I guess it is fundamental to understand Jewish Cosmology/Angelology of the time, but basically at that time it was popular Jewish belief that heaven contained copies of materials on Earth, they were just the "perfect" copies rather than our world's imperfect copy. Not only is pre-existence directly refuted by Paul, but the verse Mormons use to pull this ideology from doesn't even portray this idea of pre-existence. Chapter 1 is God talking to Jeremiah, in verse 5 God tells Jeremiah he knew him before he had even been formed in the womb; this isn't a pre-existence of a birth, but rather a knowledge of the future.

Jeremiah 1:5 (NASB95)
5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you;I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”


Pre-existence would also have to solve the problem of our soul being in heaven; if the nature of our soul is perfect in heaven, what changes the nature simply by descending from heaven?

As far as conception goes - that is a scientific myth. Although it is certainly defined medically, there is no definitive moment that distinguishes life in the first 48 hours;the term conception is only a subjective preference at when to semantically call the cell division "life" - primarily to regulate abortion laws and give some defining parameters than to describe a scientific process. "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (typically termed conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

http://lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/issues/40/1/essay/DavisVol40No1_Peters.pdf

So there would need to be a more precise explanation as to what process of fertilization the soul is actually manifested and in place?

Either way - the soul has nothing to do with where humans come from. The Modern English word "soul", derived from Old English sáwol, sáwel, was first attested to in the 8th-century poem Beowulf v. 2820 and in the Vespasian Psalter 77.50—it is cognate with other Germanic and Baltic terms for the same idea, including Gothic saiwala, Old High German sêula, sêla, Old Saxon sêola, Old Low Franconian sêla, sîla, Old Norse sála and Lithuanian siela. Further etymology of the Germanic word is uncertain. The original concept is said to mean originally 'coming from or belonging to the sea/lake' because of the Germanic belief in souls being born out of and returning to sacred lakes, c.f., Old Saxon sêola (soul) compared to Old Saxon sêo (sea). The Koine Greek word ψυχή psychē, "life, spirit, consciousness", is derived from a verb meaning "to cool, to blow", and hence refers to the breath, as opposed to σῶμα ("soma"), meaning "body". Psychē occurs juxtaposed to σῶμα, as seen in Matthew 10:28. - so the Soul was basically a way of terming our consciousness/feelings. By the end of the 19th century though, we had figured out our consciousness was derived from our brains so it shifted again to have to do more with morality than our source of "life" as the original meaning reflected.

As far as humans are concerned. Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa -- chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas -- share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.

Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans. Scientists do not all agree, however, about how these species are related or which ones simply died out. Many early human species -- certainly the majority of them – left no living descendants. Scientists also debate over how to identify and classify particular species of early humans, and about what factors influenced the evolution and extinction of each species.

For a list of hominid species see: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/species.html

Evolution has been verified since 1856 by fossils, and even solidified by the finding of DNA and commonality between groups.

Another human? 100% - All humans have the same genes, but some of these genes contain sequence differences that make each person unique.
A chimpanzee? 98% - Chimpanzees are the closest living species to humans.
A mouse? 92% - All mammals are quite similar genetically.
A fruit fly? 44% - Studies of fruit flies have shown how shared genes govern the growth and structure of both insects and mammals.
Yeast? 26% - Yeasts are single-celled organisms, but they have many housekeeping genes that are the same as the genes in humans, such as those that enable energy to be derived from the breakdown of sugars.
A weed (thale cress)? 18% - Plants have many metabolic differences from humans. For example, they use sunlight to convert carbon dioxide gas to sugars. But they also have similarities in their housekeeping genes.

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Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus :P
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We come from the Earth, because in the end, we usually will end up back as a part of Earth's crust (unless you launched yourself into space, in which case you become space debris).
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