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Posted 11/25/15
Dont know if i could find on in the apocalypse but the bear gryls knife would also be good comes with flint to start a fire dont know if i could find it in the apolcalyptic era though its kind of like a novelty knife
Posted 11/25/15

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depends man if it was a nuclear wipe out then every thing would be destroyed . only the ones who took shelter in fortified underground bunkers would survive thus transporting us back into medivel times. but if it was a semi wipe out where modren equipment would survive then i would use any gun i could get my hands on . m16s for accuracy and aks for durability shot guns with sg or triple cartirdiges could also be used effectively . tactical knives would be imperative like an ontario m9 if i could find one or a buck . or flippers like the benchmade .


Couldn't the bunkers just be loaded with guns? Why would swords be present there, but not guns?


nothing would be present the swords would have to be made. if guns were present they'd be rare commodities and couldnt be used with the lack of ammo there . they would have to choose between putting in more guns and ammo and leaving out people and most would opt for saving people .

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Posted 11/25/15

mir123 wrote:


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mir123 wrote:

depends man if it was a nuclear wipe out then every thing would be destroyed . only the ones who took shelter in fortified underground bunkers would survive thus transporting us back into medivel times. but if it was a semi wipe out where modren equipment would survive then i would use any gun i could get my hands on . m16s for accuracy and aks for durability shot guns with sg or triple cartirdiges could also be used effectively . tactical knives would be imperative like an ontario m9 if i could find one or a buck . or flippers like the benchmade .


Couldn't the bunkers just be loaded with guns? Why would swords be present there, but not guns?


nothing would be present the swords would have to be made. if guns were present they'd be rare commodities and couldnt be used with the lack of ammo there . they would have to choose between putting in more guns and ammo and leaving out people and most would opt for saving people .



Mate any industry capable of producing combat ready swords would be capable of producing guns and ammo. As the manufacturing requirements are actually largely the same and the raw materials needed to make gunpowder aren't going to disappear because of a nuclear war.
Posted 11/25/15
but that would take time till then the hordes would already be out vying for control. The swords would be welded old school style whilst the hordes battled for control . only a well established clan could protect itself enough to set up an industry.
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Posted 11/25/15 , edited 11/25/15

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but that would take time till then the hordes would already be out vying for control. The swords would be welded old school style whilst the hordes battled for control . only a well established clan could protect itself enough to set up an industry.


Mate it takes a metric ton of coal,charcoal, iron ore, specialized tools and training, and hundreds of man hours to make even a half decent sword let alone enough to arm an entire army. I.e it would take an already established industrial power to even think of arming and training a force large enough to wage war. The same amount of time and effort can be put towards fire arms instead of swords.
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Posted 11/25/15
i can fly a plane so i wont have to walk among the flesh eating zombies and the red neck crazies.


'The road' was a really stupid movie
Posted 11/25/15

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but that would take time till then the hordes would already be out vying for control. The swords would be welded old school style whilst the hordes battled for control . only a well established clan could protect itself enough to set up an industry.


Mate it takes a metric ton of coal,charcoal, iron ore, specialized tools and training, and hundreds of man hours to make even a half decent sword let alone enough to arm an entire army. I.e it would take an already established industrial power to even think of arming and training a force large enough to wage war. The same amount of time and effort can be put towards fire arms instead of swords.


But swords would take lesser time to weld then setting up an arms industry . firstly some one with the skill sets to run an entire industry would have to be preseant the hordes would have already started attacking with sharp objects and metal sharpened by rocks . that would be their beghiner swords they would have to quickly improve upoun their sharp metal therefore fighting whilst at the same time upgrading their weaponry till they are established enoough to build an arms industry
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Posted 11/25/15

mir123 wrote:

But swords would take lesser time to weld then setting up an arms industry . firstly some one with the skill sets to run an entire industry would have to be preseant the hordes would have already started attacking with sharp objects and metal sharpened by rocks . that would be their beghiner swords they would have to quickly improve upoun their sharp metal therefore fighting whilst at the same time upgrading their weaponry till they are established enoough to build an arms industry



Mate now you're talking about a situation similar to the one faced by the Death Korps of Krieg in Warhammer 40k. But even they managed to hold onto an industrial base of sufficient size to keep their soldiers armed with guns. This despite their world being turned into a radioactive wasteland of such proportions that even the bunkers aren't 100% safe from it. That is because the state of technology and the knowledge base of a modern society can never be totally reduced to the level of the dark ages. We aren't going to forget everything simply because a few billions of us might die, and you should be grateful for that. It'll be our only hope if a nuclear winter actually does happen.
Posted 11/26/15
it depends on the how wide scale the nuclear wipe out is . What gets salvaged, if everything is destroyed i,e no industry is present then i believe that would be the most plausible scenario . But if they are pockets where arms and ammunition are present then they would probably be a scenario more akin to capture the places where the arms are present and they would be the most sought after commodities in the post apocalyptic era. Because capturing a large stock of arms and ammunition's could lead to a clan being the most powerful
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Posted 11/26/15

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it depends on the how wide scale the nuclear wipe out is . What gets salvaged, if everything is destroyed i,e no industry is present then i believe that would be the most plausible scenario . But if they are pockets where arms and ammunition are present then they would probably be a scenario more akin to capture the places where the arms are present and they would be the most sought after commodities in the post apocalyptic era. Because capturing a large stock of arms and ammunition's could lead to a clan being the most powerful


Nuclear war would not happen over night mate, world leaders aren't as dumb as most people make them out to be. If such a scenario were to happen it'd likely be after a prolonged conventional war. In which case various world governments would be building their hideaways where some semblance of order and industry would continue. People in power tend to like being in power, even if their power is drastically reduced. This in fact happens every time a major threat looms, look at the underground complexes that exist now within every industrialized country. Some of them are underground cities capable of prolonged survival with no contact from the outside world. They even have functioning nuclear reactors, limited manufacturing capabilities , and pre arranged beds for the worlds best and brightest. Then there is the survivalist trend to consider, these people have themselves amassed considerable stockpiles and educated themselves on how to live off the gird and still keep themselves well armed and equipped.

And this still doesn't take into consideration every single major military instillation itself has hardened sections designed to withstand nuclear and biological attack.
Posted 11/26/15
yea man but nukes have changed the war games. if one super power unleashes a nuclear attack another might attack it becuase theyll have jumpy trigger fingers. the best case for nuclear war is and has always been first strike first kill with out warning . thats the only way two nuclear powers could battle it out and win. One devasting the other as in complete devastation because nuckes can be armed on submarines now as well so the counteries whole area of control would have to be destoryed so a counter strike cannot take place
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Posted 11/26/15

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yea man but nukes have changed the war games. if one super power unleashes a nuclear attack another might attack it because they'll have jumpy trigger fingers. the best case for nuclear war is and has always been first strike first kill with out warning . that's the only way two nuclear powers could battle it out and win. One devastating the other as in complete devastation because nukes can be armed on submarines now as well so the countries whole area of control would have to be destroyed so a counter strike cannot take place


You're assuming there are people in power out there stupid enough to actually launch nuclear ICBMs at each other on a mere whim. People don't get control of a nuclear power by being that stupid. They know the second the nukes start flying it's game over for everyone. After all plenty of Nuclear powers have gone to war against each other since the Yanks dropped Fat boy on Hiroshima and we aren't living in an irradiated wasteland of a planet yet.

As post apocalypse scenarios go nuclear winter is the least likely. Biological threats to the stability of the world order is a much more plausible scenario .
Posted 11/26/15

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yea man but nukes have changed the war games. if one super power unleashes a nuclear attack another might attack it because they'll have jumpy trigger fingers. the best case for nuclear war is and has always been first strike first kill with out warning . that's the only way two nuclear powers could battle it out and win. One devastating the other as in complete devastation because nukes can be armed on submarines now as well so the countries whole area of control would have to be destroyed so a counter strike cannot take place


You're assuming there are people in power out there stupid enough to actually launch nuclear ICBMs at each other on a mere whim. People don't get control of a nuclear power by being that stupid. They know the second the nukes start flying it's game over for everyone. After all plenty of Nuclear powers have gone to war against each other since the Yanks dropped Fat boy on Hiroshima and we aren't living in an irradiated wasteland of a planet yet.

As post apocalypse scenarios go nuclear winter is the least likely. Biological threats to the stability of the world order is a much more plausible scenario .


If we go down that road then maybe no nuclear devastation will ever occur . this is just a plausible sceanrio of what could occur if such a war were to occur. it wouldnt be stupidty to take out an enemy compelety . the only thing that stops that is world polictis nukes being in a number of hands. what if the us was a viable threat to russia and russia just anihalted it with out warning why would that be stupidty they effectivly elimanted a threat with out any chance of a counter reaction
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Posted 11/26/15
If things really get that bad honestly would you really want to attempt to survive it knowing everything from the past is gone and most likely wont come back
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Posted 11/26/15 , edited 11/26/15

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If we go down that road then maybe no nuclear devastation will ever occur . this is just a plausible sceanrio of what could occur if such a war were to occur. it wouldn't be stupidity to take out an enemy completely . the only thing that stops that is world polictis nukes being in a number of hands. what if the US was a viable threat to Russia and Russia just annihilated it with out warning why would that be stupidity they effectively eliminated a threat with out any chance of a counter reaction


First off, Russia and the United States watch each other like hawks. Nothing major either of them does goes unnoticed. Both have heavily invested in counter battery and satellite observation technology. And you can't effectively hide a silo capable of launching an ICBM, not to mention the bloom trail a ICBM leaves would light up every sensor on the planet. Furthermore even at it's fastest an ICBM fired from Russia would likely take several minutes if not an half hour to hit American soil. The Yanks would be watching it the entire time and likely launching their own nukes in retaliation. Not to mention trying to intercept the damn thing with it's own NORAD capabilities. Personal would be evacuated to pre designed safe zones and then basically sit out the the nuclear winter. Both sides in this highly unlikely scenario have rehearsed this play so many times they could likely do it in their sleep.

Secondly neither side would be interested in such a scenario, as it would effect them as well. Nuclear fallout can travel extremely far and mainland Russia and the United States aren't very far apart geographically speaking. And then there is the general poisoning of the global ecosystem that'd result , which would hurt the side that survives such a hellish and short lived war.



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