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We don't need to forget any history. if we forget the CSA we in turn forget lessons to be learned from the CSA good or bad.


Admittedly true but what did the CSA teach us? That treason and slavery is bad? I mean maybe's it's because of military past but I find the concept of treason hardly a worthy legacy to be remembered
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sorry history isn't so easily forgotten
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Triggered! Really though this is incredibly stupid. Yeah, you might not like the flag, but counseling.. really?
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CptSpeirs wrote:


We don't need to forget any history. if we forget the CSA we in turn forget lessons to be learned from the CSA good or bad.


Admittedly true but what did the CSA teach us? That treason and slavery is bad? I mean maybe's it's because of military past but I find the concept of treason hardly a worthy legacy to be remembered


The CSA was just as treasonous to the USA as the USA was to Great Britain, and more slavery was practiced under the US flag than the CS flag, slavery is a great evil but we should not rewrite history just because we don't agree with it. if we do write out the CSA we forget great men like Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, Stonewall Jackson, and the 600,000 men who loss their lives.
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I'm not surprised. I think their mothers allowed them to remain in diapers until they were four. Breast feed them until they were two. I hear that College students now a days seek counseling on every little thing. I wonder if this is only in the USA or is this happening elsewhere?
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The CSA was just as treasonous to the USA as the USA was to Great Britain, and more slavery was practiced under the US flag than the CS flag, slavery is a great evil but we should not rewrite history just because we don't agree with it. if we do write out the CSA we forget great men like Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, Stonewall Jackson, and the 600,000 men who loss their lives.


As a soldier I do have to agree about honouring the memory of the fallen but Lee. The man was little more then a great general serving an horrid cause. And he didn't even try to stop the CSA, unlike Rommel who actively tired to bring down the Third Reich and paid for it with his life. Remember men like Lee but honour them I think not. And just because your enemy may sink to a low level doesn't make your matching them any less inhuman.

I am just saying there is a difference in remembering history then glorifying it ya know.
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As a kid in the 80's I watched the "Dukes of Hazzard" where the car they drove was the "General Lee" and had the General Lee flag painted over the roof. And the owner of the first car decided to paint that over last summer because of the hysteria.

Where do i get me counseling??
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I'm not surprised. I think their mothers allowed them to remain in diapers until they were four. Breast feed them until they were two. I hear that College students now a days seek counseling on every little thing. I wonder if this is only in the USA or is this happening elsewhere?


2? I've heard of these new age mom allowing them to suckle until they are 8 years old.

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macht_gut wrote:

I'm not surprised. I think their mothers allowed them to remain in diapers until they were four. Breast feed them until they were two. I hear that College students now a days seek counseling on every little thing. I wonder if this is only in the USA or is this happening elsewhere?


2? I've heard of these new age mom allowing them to suckle until they are 8 years old.



Ouch! That must hurt! Game of Thrones comes to mind.
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VZ68 wrote:


macht_gut wrote:

I'm not surprised. I think their mothers allowed them to remain in diapers until they were four. Breast feed them until they were two. I hear that College students now a days seek counseling on every little thing. I wonder if this is only in the USA or is this happening elsewhere?


2? I've heard of these new age mom allowing them to suckle until they are 8 years old.



Ouch! That must hurt! Game of Thrones comes to mind.


I remember reading a story about it 15 years back or so. Some people aren't quite right in the head.
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TRIGGERWARNING:

EVERYTHING


Okay, maybe there's something of a point here. And it's comically made.


CptSpeirs wrote:

We don't need to forget any history. if we forget the CSA we in turn forget lessons to be learned from the CSA good or bad.


For example, that the people who established said country enumerated in their articles of independence and grievances against the United States that the latter had disrespected the divine command theory supporting African slavery and failed to defend alleged lawful obligations to defend slavery. And that their highest executive officials substantiated this understanding of their union by stating clearly and concisely that the cornerstone of their new nation was the understanding that the natural condition of the African was subordination as a slave under white people.

But, you know, teach the controversy and shit.


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Come on admit it the CSA deserves to be forgotten anyway.


No. We do not forget that which we do not wish to repeat. I understand where you're coming from, but we must not forget.
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CptSpeirs wrote:

We don't need to forget any history. if we forget the CSA we in turn forget lessons to be learned from the CSA good or bad.


For example, that the people who established said country enumerated in their articles of independence and grievances against the United States that the latter had disrespected the divine command theory supporting African slavery and failed to defend alleged lawful obligations to defend slavery. And that their highest executive officials substantiated this understanding of their union by stating clearly and concisely that the cornerstone of their new nation was the understanding that the natural condition of the African was subordination as a slave under white people.


But, you know, teach the controversy and shit.



So what you are saying is that the proper way to understand Constitutions is to view them from the perspective of those who wrote and ratified them, and utilize primary sources to understand their intent when doing so, as well as limiting the meaning of Constitutions to only what is specifically stated in the documents

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Ranwolf wrote:


CptSpeirs wrote:



The CSA was just as treasonous to the USA as the USA was to Great Britain, and more slavery was practiced under the US flag than the CS flag, slavery is a great evil but we should not rewrite history just because we don't agree with it. if we do write out the CSA we forget great men like Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, Stonewall Jackson, and the 600,000 men who loss their lives.


As a soldier I do have to agree about honouring the memory of the fallen but Lee. The man was little more then a great general serving an horrid cause. And he didn't even try to stop the CSA, unlike Rommel who actively tired to bring down the Third Reich and paid for it with his life. Remember men like Lee but honour them I think not. And just because your enemy may sink to a low level doesn't make your matching them any less inhuman.

I am just saying there is a difference in remembering history then glorifying it ya know.


Lee was serving his state more than anything, in the 1860s state identity was more important to Americans than national identity. You want to talk about horrid men take a look a William T. Sherman.
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Lee was serving his state more than anything, in the 1860s state identity was more important to Americans than national identity. You want to talk about horrid men take a look a William T. Sherman.


This.
The majority of Americans have no business discussing the Civil War and making claims about it because they have a poor or zero understanding of the complex history of this period.
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