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If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.
Posted 11/28/15
If he or she needs counseling she needs counseling. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Sure, this is an overreaction in my opinion, but if they're distressed, it doesn't matter, they need help.
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sojiroseta77 wrote:

If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.


It's a sad day when someone will proudly fly on their flagpole a symbol devoted to the hatred and oppression of them and their race. The ignorance of your neighbors is pitiful.

Anyway, going to counseling because you saw a Confederate flag on a laptop is a huge overreaction.
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sojiroseta77 wrote:

If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.


It's a sad day when someone will proudly fly on their flagpole a symbol devoted to the hatred and oppression of them and their race. The ignorance of your neighbors is pitiful.

No different than a black person using the n word. Especially since no one seems to know what the word actually means.
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No different than a black person using the n word. Especially since no one seems to know what the word actually means.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Furthermore, there's a distinct difference between the two. Making a racist remark is not the same as flying a flag which openly supports and glorifies racism. Both are bad, but the former is the lesser of two evils when compared with the latter.

At least that's how I view it anyway.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

No different than a black person using the n word. Especially since no one seems to know what the word actually means.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Furthermore, there's a distinct difference between the two. Making a racist remark is not the same as flying a flag which openly supports and glorifies racism. Both are bad, but the former is the lesser of two evils when compared with the latter.

At least that's how I view it anyway.

It's only a racist issue when somebody makes it one.
Posted 11/28/15 , edited 11/28/15

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

No different than a black person using the n word. Especially since no one seems to know what the word actually means.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Furthermore, there's a distinct difference between the two. Making a racist remark is not the same as flying a flag which openly supports and glorifies racism. Both are bad, but the former is the lesser of two evils when compared with the latter.

At least that's how I view it anyway.

It's only a racist issue when somebody makes it one.


If it pertains to the flag? I think it means one is a gun loving "hick" but that doesn't mean they're "racist"; if anything just a bit uncultured. Whereas a Nazi flag pretty much means White Supremacy. Historically, the Reich is more "recent" and more dead if that helps with anything. I say this based on personal anecdote of accounting swastikas and more commonly proud southerners.


Although I admit, anecdotes are useless. That's just my experience with the southerners.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

It's only a racist issue when somebody makes it one.


Frivolous rhetoric. When someone flies a flag that stands for and symbolizes racial segregation and slavery based off skin-color, it's a racial issue.
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Lee was serving his state more than anything, in the 1860s state identity was more important to Americans than national identity. You want to talk about horrid men take a look a William T. Sherman.



I guess it's just as a soldier I find serving a cause like the CSA or anything like it quite the ( I don't want to use this word but I don't know a better one) sin. In the army I was only a Master Corporal, a pretty low ranking nco. So in a situation like Lee's I'd no doubt have a very skewed view of the big picture. One made tiny by my position in the rank and file. But Lee wasn't a rank and file soldier. By all accounts he was well educated and of course high ranking. So his view of the big picture was no doubt quite clear. Sherman was a horrid man but you could argue it was his nature. Lee was a horrid man by choice, which is worse is the bigger question?
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

It's only a racist issue when somebody makes it one.


Frivolous rhetoric. When someone flies a flag that stands for and symbolizes racial segregation and slavery based off skin-color, it's a racial issue.

This will be my last input regarding the issue.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/am483_97/projects/sarratt/intro.html
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First, we must understand that symbols like the Confederate Flag have no intrinsic meaning. The meanings symbols carry is that which humans attach from their own learning. Thus, any viewer of a symbol is free to assign it any range of meanings. The symbol itself, then is constant, but the value symbolized is not.


Symbols rely off of the meaning we attach to them, but that doesn't mean that their prior meanings are washed away and erased. It doesn't mean that their initial purpose, the sole/primary reason for their conception, fades away and becomes irrelevant.

You can attach whatever meaning you like to the flag, but that doesn't change the fact that you're throwing these values onto a symbol that was created by racists for racists. It stood for a very clearly-defined agenda and you repurposing it for your ends won't ever erase that historical context. It doesn't matter how ignorant you are of its origins or how little you care about them -- that flag was born to stand for racism and as long as it lives on, so will the Confederacy and its message.

It's as simple as that. Just because people can come to different conclusions and gather different information doesn't mean that all conclusions are correct and that all information is accurate. The stars and bars have consistently stood for oppression and racial discrimination. We can close our eyes to reality all we like, but that doesn't mean that the truth of that ceases to exist.
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Posted 11/28/15
It's pretty clear that most people displaying the Confederate flag do so as a sign of southern identity, not racism.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/confederate-flag-poll-racism-southern-pride/
The general marginalization of southern culture in American public life is probably why many southerners look for a symbol for their regional culture.
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sojiroseta77 wrote:

If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.


It's a sad day when someone will proudly fly on their flagpole a symbol devoted to the hatred and oppression of them and their race. The ignorance of your neighbors is pitiful.

Anyway, going to counseling because you saw a Confederate flag on a laptop is a huge overreaction.


The ignorance is in your inability to understand that the flag doesn't have that meaning for them. Just because you can't see things in context doesn't mean they have that same problem.

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sojiroseta77 wrote:


GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


sojiroseta77 wrote:

If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.


It's a sad day when someone will proudly fly on their flagpole a symbol devoted to the hatred and oppression of them and their race. The ignorance of your neighbors is pitiful.

Anyway, going to counseling because you saw a Confederate flag on a laptop is a huge overreaction.


The ignorance is in your inability to understand that the flag doesn't have that meaning for them. Just because you can't see things in context doesn't mean they have that same problem.



I'm glad you mention the ones that has a display of the flag are blacks. My dad is black and has one in his man cave because he's a fan of the Dukes of Hazzard. Growing up he taught me that symbols change over time and is only negative if that is how people choose to view it.
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If you get traumatized by a flag, then I can't even comprehend how you made it to university without losing your sanity. (Well I can't really say they're sane after something like this)


GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


sojiroseta77 wrote:

If they get that traumatized, then they better stay out of my neighborhood. Their are confederate flags everywhere with most of the families flying them African-americans. lol.


It's a sad day when someone will proudly fly on their flagpole a symbol devoted to the hatred and oppression of them and their race. The ignorance of your neighbors is pitiful.


Boy, you must be must be fun at parties... lol

It's just a flag, I'd prefer them over the uncomprehendingly stupid black lives matter radicals who got their history lessons from a public forum.
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