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ANN moderator admits to the site using a filter to ban the phrase "social justice warriors", and threatens to ban anyone who discusses the tyranny of SJWs:



".....stop soap boxing on the topic of social justice you know whos. Your soap boxing on the topic is getting OT and just redundant. The term is also blocked for a reason so stop trying to get around the filter."


http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3029157&start=60




Moderator admits to this in a thread discussing the chilling effect SJW censorship has which led to a video game not being brought over to the States.



So, Crunchy, is it time the anime community finds an alternative for their anime news, one which doesn't have contempt for the fans, culture, and creators of anime, manga, and gaming?


If you already use alternatives to ANN for your anime news, what sites do you use?








edit: Here's the relevant part from the Anime News Network article itself that the forum thread was discussing. The article will be in quotes, my commentary below quotes in plain text:






Well, I think we're all out of controversy this week. Xenoblade Chronicles X. Fatal Frame, and Street Fighter V are slightly edited, and everyone knows it. So we can just move on to more important matters.



Funny, I thought censorship was an "important matter."





Oh, wait. KOEI Tecmo stated that Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 won't come to North America or Europe. When pressed further, the company's Facebook community manager replied “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you.”

This immediately outraged Dead or Alive fans as well as the sort of people deluded enough to use the term “Social Justice Warrior” as a pejorative.



Deluded? Are you saying they don't exist?


The reason the publisher said the game isn't coming over is due to the backlash created specifically by Social Justice Warriors against other games.


How fucking disingenuous can you be, Anime News Network?




They complained that KOEI Tecmo had capitulated under current trends that question just how video games portray women, and that Xtreme 3 was now a casualty of the feminist onslaught.



BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT OCCURRED YOU LYING FUCK.


It's a game in which the women of Dead or Alive play volleyball, duel by bumping rear ends, spin hula hoops, and generally prance around in exceptionally slight swimwear. It's a sexist and ribald piece of work that just recently announced such features as tanlines and breakable bikini strings, though it's really no worse than what you might see on the typical TV show without a Nick Jr. logo.



Sexy is not the same as sexist, you lying, lying fuck.


Furthermore, why label the game "sexist," here I thought you literally just said there was no such thing as feminists and other Social Justice Warriors attacking the game and gaming in general?


And why the comparison to "Nick Jr.?"


The audience for the game is not children, but teens and adults as evident by the nature and rating of the title.


Or do you think anyone who disagrees with your ideology is a child in need of the paternalising hand of Social Justice to keep them from "misbehaving" and rebelling against your overbearing smugness?




It's odd that KOEI Tecmo would grow reluctant to localize Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 due to concerns over sexualized characters when the physiques of the widely available Dead or Alive 5's women are just as exaggerated and many of the costumes are practically bikinis.


Is it?


Is it REALLY that hard to understand when insufferable hipsters such as yourself are haranguing people for following their biological imperatives to seek out ways to express their sexuality?





While I'm hardly a fan of Dead or Alive in aesthetics or excess, I think it's eclipsed by many localized games when it comes to mistreating women. Senran Kagura and Criminal Girls are much worse offenders, and I'd spare little time criticizing Kasumi and Tina's bikini slips when Akiba's Trip exists.



CITATION FUCKING NEEDED.




Many misguided souls point to some dastardly cabal of feminists and bloggers and Kotaku journalists who scheme to rob the world of fun, as though they're the villains from Doozy Bots. Yet as far as I can tell, no one in the press specifically called for Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 to be martyred for the sake of game-industry sexism, and most of the negativity around Dead or Alive 5 is constrained to side comments in game reviews.




YOU.


LYING.


FUCK.


Here you are calling people who want this game "children" and "sexist" and games of this sort "mistreating women," but you refuse to admit you and your fellow Social Justice Warriors give these games negative press?


YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT.




Indeed, many of the people painted as "Social Justice Warriors" openly don't care one way or the other about Dead or Alive Xtreme 3. KOEI Tecmo seemed apathetic toward localizing it as well.



Then WHY comment on it, WHY express how the game and those like it are "sexist" and "mistreat women."


That doesn't sound like apathetic behaviour to me, that sounds like someone with an axe to grind.



The game never was announced for the West, and producer Yosuke Hayashi only alluded to an “adjusted” North American version if demand merited it. Is KOEI Tecmo merely overreacting to a market shift? Or are they covering up the fact that they don't think Xtreme 3 would sell over here? And what happened to the prairie dog from the first Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball? It was my favorite character.



The previous game sold TWICE AS MUCH in North America as in Japan, you ignorant fuck!




Whatever the cause, Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 went from a minor, indulgent spin-off to a catalyst for geek turf wars.



"The cause" is you and your fellow Social Justice Warriors making a climate where publishers and developers fear a backlash for offending your capricious sensibilities, you whiny toad. They literally said this, you literally acknowledged it, and for someone who writes on an anime site, you are literally stating like so many anime characters who won't own up to their fuck ups, "It can't be helped."


Importer Play-Asia kicked the hornet's nest with a Twitter post attributing Xtreme 3's status to “SJW nonsense” while entreating fans to buy the English-subtitled Asian release through Play-Asia.



So what you are saying is that by offending SJWs, companies can expect and will get a backlash? Do you understand, you ignorant fuck, you just contradicted yourself AGAIN?



Some vowed never to import from the company again



I must ask myself once more: So what you are saying is that by offending SJWs, companies can expect and will get a backlash? Do you understand, you ignorant fuck, you just contradicted yourself AGAIN?


but Play-Asia nonetheless gloated over its swelling follower count on Twitter. Meanwhile, two offers arrived. HuniePot, makers of the explicit puzzle-dating game HuniePop, publicly pledged $1 million for the North American rights to Dead or Alive Xtreme 3, while retailer Instacodez vowed $2 million for the chance to bring the game in Europe.

At this writing, debate over Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 continues,






There is no "debate."


That implies rational discourse.


And you have proven you neither desire nor will give anything resembling civilised, honest dialogue.



its jiggling exploitation and perfunctory volleyball matches now the stuff of bizarre moral crusades.



You call it "exploitative" yet refuse to admit the only one engaging in a "bizarre moral crusade" are Social Justice Warriors?



If nothing else, I'd like to hear more from KOEI Tecmo's community manager, who didn't really want to talk about issues of sexism.



I wonder WHY the community manager said they didn't want to talk about "issues of sexism." Oh wait, they already answered that: because Social Justice Whiners such as yourself will give them hell over it.



A lot of people are talking now.



It's almost as if the Community Manager understood what you and your fellow ignorant, lying partisans would do. Or something.


And then you spent so many words proving them correct.

Posted 11/27/15 , edited 12/7/15
Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


Don't regress into a "blame no one, there's just problems" mentality.

Social Justice Warriors sometimes identify themselves as such, as well as "progressives", trying to avoid each and every label to avoid feeling "isolated" and "exposed" is a heinous tactic that nazis and military used. Identifying the problem is step one.

Anyone who follows the industry of anime or games knows what Social Justice is and is not. No one is being censored from using the term SJW. It's the SJWs that are censoring anime and video games so they can stop being offended at everything.

PV, you might just be making a general comment to appeal to everyone(which is what chameleons do). But holy hell, I must say.

I really, really, really hate damage control comments like these. They REALLY grind my gears.
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I stopped caring about ANN when they changed the site format a few years ago. As I don't care much for any anime series currently, I just pick up whatever news is on the Crunchyroll news feed or home page.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


I'm with you on this definitely.
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Magical-Soul wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


Don't regress into a "blame no one, there's just problems" mentality.

Social Justice Warriors sometimes identify themselves as such, as well as "progressives", trying to avoid each and every label to avoid feeling "isolated" and "exposed" is a heinous tactic that nazis and military used. Identifying the problem is step one.

Anyone who follows the industry of anime or games knows what Social Justice is and is not. No one is being censored from using the term SJW. It's the SJWs that are censoring anime and video games so they can stop being offended at everything.

PV, you might just be making a general comment to appeal to everyone(which is what chameleons do). But holy hell, I must say.

I really, really, really hate damage control comments like these. They REALLY grind my gears.


Seems like we're on the same page again, as usual.
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Haha, the internet is so ridiculous these days it makes me laugh. Rarely used the site anyway so doesn't matter much.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


Dear PV,

I love you more each day.

I bristle every time I read "SJW."
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Posted 11/27/15 , edited 11/27/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.




Though most of the time, most issues that so-called SJWs take offense at, like this with the game for example, is ridiculous. It just seems to be a term people throw at you anymore when you don't agree with something they said.


If ANN is that skeerrrrreeeed of inciting people then I guess they can't advertise for fanservice stuff like series or figures




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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


It gets thrown around way too often and spaz like. Reminds me of crocker from Fairly Odd Parents sometimes.


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literally who cares
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Even I'm tired of the term SJWs. All it seems to do is create contempt for a near imaginary source to blame all our woes on, and to anyone we disagree with. Such is the fate of terminology and denigrations. A one all stop all shut down to what may very well be decent criticism.


Don't regress into a "blame no one, there's just problems" mentality.

Social Justice Warriors sometimes identify themselves as such, as well as "progressives", trying to avoid each and every label to avoid feeling "isolated" and "exposed" is a heinous tactic that nazis and military used. Identifying the problem is step one.

Anyone who follows the industry of anime or games knows what Social Justice is and is not. No one is being censored from using the term SJW. It's the SJWs that are censoring anime and video games so they can stop being offended at everything.

PV, you might just be making a general comment to appeal to everyone(which is what chameleons do). But holy hell, I must say.

I really, really, really hate damage control comments like these. They REALLY grind my gears.


Seems like we're on the same page again, as usual.


Definitely. I can't stand everymen who think trying to paint everyone as imbeciles just so a few don't feel stupid.

GamerGate and the "Atheist" YouTube community is amazing because it unmasked the type of lunatic to who really think their personal feelings should infect law and media.

Thankfully more people are attacking extreme leftism/SJWs, eventually they will die.
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SJWs are like Marxist right?
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Lets test this new scheme and every talk about it.
See if ANN bans the majority of their clients.
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