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Posted 12/22/15

shinryou wrote:


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Catalog is a matter of availability. We can get those titles for the US and Canada because another player in the market holds those rights and sublicenses them to us. We'd need a local partner willing to do the same in order to offer more catalog in the same fashion in the UK. As an US company this kind of deal is obviously more easily achieved in the US than abroad..


Can you not licence catalogue titles directly from Japan?


We talk to both local publishers and to Japanese companies. But it's not like we start waiting for other deals to be done just so that it doesn't end up as a spree of acquisitions for US/CA. Just check our latest announcement, we got a very large title for the UK and other English-speaking territories there.


Yes, I spotted you got some Case Closed episodes for the UK, thanks (and posted a reply). Good evidence that not all new catalogue titles are US & Canada only (though a lot are) . (and I'd say the very largest title we want in the UK is One Piece, but that all depends on Toei Animation Europe of course...)
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I suspect that at least some of the catalogue titles showing up are because an American company already has the US/Canada home video rights but also have the streaming rights bundled in. So they'll seek out a streaming partner, in this case CR, to sublicense out to and get some of the streaming revenue.

If they wanted to open the streaming out to other regions then they're reliant on any one of the following:
1) The company they're sublicensing from already having the UK rights.

2) If someone already has the UK rights, contact them. The problem is if it's someone like Viz Europe then they already have a "pet" streaming service with Animax and are less likely to want CR to get a look in.


Talking of UK home video: Manga & MVM say they have nothing to do with streaming, and Anime Ltd only have Plastic Memories on CR as far as I know (I watch their stuff on Viewster & Netflix if I don't buy the discs).


3) Your suggestion of licensing directly from Japan. And this will vary based on what that company wants to do. And different regions can be covered by different parts of the Japanese company, like how Toei do it. In that case, the European arm seems to have something against streaming and would rather get stuff on telly. Other Japanese companies also seem to have little interest outside of US/Canada.
Also, I think i've heard that sometimes different regional rights are held by different companies on the production committee. This, again, can result in the US/Canada rights being held by someone CR-friendly but other regions being held by people who either favour a different streaming service or who flat-out dislike streaming.
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I wonder if there is anything UK anime fans can do to help persuade Toei to stream more shows in the UK. Toei's European branch appears to have no Facebook or Twitter accounts and never reply to my emails I send from their website .
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I don't think there's anything we can do. I suspect they only listen to distributors, putting the ball firmly in CR's court.

Toei (and one or two others) will continue to do whatever the Western distros let them get away with, for fear of losing titles to other distros.

The situation regarding regionallcensong is unlikely to change until Crunchyroll and the other distributors take a risk on forcing the issue, Streaming may not be the priority for the Japanese companies but I suspect that they'd still be a but worried if they realised that nobody would pick up the streaking rights at all without looser restrictions.

Yes, the Japanese companies are able to set conditions but the Western companies mustn't let them forget that they have the power to walk away from a deal.

Too much overlooking of the European and (apparently) Latin American audiences will eventually bite CR in the arse, even if it's not their fault. The backlash is coming. It's simple, people won't pay for a service they can't use. So unless CR make massive improvements on the perceived value ofinternation subscription, they risk losing subscribers. Not through malice but through people being able to justify the costs.
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Posted 12/24/15

shinryou wrote:


jto1 wrote:


shinryou wrote:
Catalog is a matter of availability. We can get those titles for the US and Canada because another player in the market holds those rights and sublicenses them to us. We'd need a local partner willing to do the same in order to offer more catalog in the same fashion in the UK. As an US company this kind of deal is obviously more easily achieved in the US than abroad..


Can you not licence catalogue titles directly from Japan?


We talk to both local publishers and to Japanese companies. But it's not like we start waiting for other deals to be done just so that it doesn't end up as a spree of acquisitions for US/CA. Just check our latest announcement, we got a very large title for the UK and other English-speaking territories there.


UK isn't the rest of europe buddy.
We finally got Digimon Adventure Tri, BUT THATS IT!!!
For me personally, if this neglect of THE REST OF THE GODDAMN WORLD!!! continues, i'll drop my subscription.
I'll stay around for the next season to see if anything changes and otherwise its back to less then legal options.
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UK isn't the rest of europe buddy.
We finally got Digimon Adventure Tri, BUT THATS IT!!!
For me personally, if this neglect of THE REST OF THE GODDAMN WORLD!!! continues, i'll drop my subscription.
I'll stay around for the next season to see if anything changes and otherwise its back to less then legal options.


Well, I was talking to a UK-user there.
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Posted 12/24/15

shinryou wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:
UK isn't the rest of europe buddy.
We finally got Digimon Adventure Tri, BUT THATS IT!!!
For me personally, if this neglect of THE REST OF THE GODDAMN WORLD!!! continues, i'll drop my subscription.
I'll stay around for the next season to see if anything changes and otherwise its back to less then legal options.


Well, I was talking to a UK-user there.


A valid point but, to be fair, irrelevant to this thread. Being as it was started (and I'd now, i started it) to bring up the fact that everywhere outside of US/Canada is beginning to feel more and more annoyed, albeit in varying degrees based on exact country.

In fact, you actually sort of helped prove my point. Your acquisition of regions for streaming is so haphazard, and worldwide (ex. Japan) is so frustratingly rare that even when you do say "Here's a title that's not just for America" then it's still witheld from someone who wanted to watch it.

And before you mention it again... yes, we know that the final responsibility lies with the Japanese licensors. But Crunchyroll are the ones being paid for subscriptions (or getting those ad-clicks) and benefitting from viewers regardless of location yet never really acting like you care that people are getting increasingly annoyed by the regional crap.

Your site. Your users/customers. So you guys get the flak.
You want to stop the complaints? Step up your licensing!
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Posted 12/24/15

instrumental20 wrote:
UK isn't the rest of europe buddy.
We finally got Digimon Adventure Tri, BUT THATS IT!!!
For me personally, if this neglect of THE REST OF THE GODDAMN WORLD!!! continues, i'll drop my subscription.
I'll stay around for the next season to see if anything changes and otherwise its back to less then legal options.


And even the show that you did get, those of us in the UK, alongside Germany, France, Italy and other, aren't able to watch. Not on here. Not on any other site.
Germans do get it on TV, though. If they have the right channel, and can catch/record one of the broadcasts.

If things don't pick up in the next few months, I'm going to let my subscription lapse when it expires in late March. Even without resorting to fansubs, my Blu-ray backlog will keep me going for a few months. Longer if you factor in non-anime, and anything I can suffer DVD versions of.
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Posted 12/24/15

shinryou wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:
UK isn't the rest of europe buddy.
We finally got Digimon Adventure Tri, BUT THATS IT!!!
For me personally, if this neglect of THE REST OF THE GODDAMN WORLD!!! continues, i'll drop my subscription.
I'll stay around for the next season to see if anything changes and otherwise its back to less then legal options.


Well, I was talking to a UK-user there.


As Tigss already stated, that is irrelevant.
This is a simple case of supply & demand, a demand which CR is obviously not supplying.
I don't care about all the behind the scenes licence stuff.
If CR is not able to keep up with demand then you can expect people to take their money elsewhere, very simple.

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Posted 12/24/15

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A valid point but, to be fair, irrelevant to this thread. Being as it was started (and I'd now, i started it) to bring up the fact that everywhere outside of US/Canada is beginning to feel more and more annoyed, albeit in varying degrees based on exact country.

In fact, you actually sort of helped prove my point. Your acquisition of regions for streaming is so haphazard, and worldwide (ex. Japan) is so frustratingly rare that even when you do say "Here's a title that's not just for America" then it's still witheld from someone who wanted to watch it.

And before you mention it again... yes, we know that the final responsibility lies with the Japanese licensors. But Crunchyroll are the ones being paid for subscriptions (or getting those ad-clicks) and benefitting from viewers regardless of location yet never really acting like you care that people are getting increasingly annoyed by the regional crap.

Your site. Your users/customers. So you guys get the flak.
You want to stop the complaints? Step up your licensing!


That's why we teamed up with Sumitomo.
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Posted 12/24/15 , edited 12/24/15

shinryou wrote:


TiggsPanther wrote:
A valid point but, to be fair, irrelevant to this thread. Being as it was started (and I'd now, i started it) to bring up the fact that everywhere outside of US/Canada is beginning to feel more and more annoyed, albeit in varying degrees based on exact country.

In fact, you actually sort of helped prove my point. Your acquisition of regions for streaming is so haphazard, and worldwide (ex. Japan) is so frustratingly rare that even when you do say "Here's a title that's not just for America" then it's still witheld from someone who wanted to watch it.

And before you mention it again... yes, we know that the final responsibility lies with the Japanese licensors. But Crunchyroll are the ones being paid for subscriptions (or getting those ad-clicks) and benefitting from viewers regardless of location yet never really acting like you care that people are getting increasingly annoyed by the regional crap.

Your site. Your users/customers. So you guys get the flak.
You want to stop the complaints? Step up your licensing!


That's why we teamed up with Sumitomo.


That entire article is vague at best, what does "Produce animation for the international market" even mean?
Does that mean CR is gonna help produce their own original titles?
And what about bringing over existing titles to more territories like One Piece,Case Closed and so forth, which is the core of this entire discussion might i add.
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instrumental20 wrote:

That entire article is vague at best, what does "Produce animation for the international market" even mean?
Does that mean CR is gonna help produce their own original titles?
And what about bringing over existing titles to more territories like One Piece,Case Closed and so forth, which is the core of this entire discussion might i add.


In fairness to CR, what a fair few of us assume this means is that it gets them on the production committees of future titles. Yes, this is little help with existing catalogue titles but what it does hopefully mean is that any future shows produced by that venture should result in CR getting more widespread streaming rights.

It doesn't, however, get them off the hook form really needing to try harder when it comes to current simulcast and catalogue contracts. Otehrwise they may not have much of an international subscriber base left with enough goodwill if and when this possible future pans out.
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Posted 12/24/15

TiggsPanther wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:

That entire article is vague at best, what does "Produce animation for the international market" even mean?
Does that mean CR is gonna help produce their own original titles?
And what about bringing over existing titles to more territories like One Piece,Case Closed and so forth, which is the core of this entire discussion might i add.


In fairness to CR, what a fair few of us assume this means is that it gets them on the production committees of future titles. Yes, this is little help with existing catalogue titles but what it does hopefully mean is that any future shows produced by that venture should result in CR getting more widespread streaming rights.

It doesn't, however, get them off the hook form really needing to try harder when it comes to current simulcast and catalogue contracts. Otehrwise they may not have much of an international subscriber base left with enough goodwill if and when this possible future pans out.


Yeah i know, i was just trying to get shinryou to give a more straightforward answer for once.
Instead of giving us the typical spiel and such.
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Posted 12/24/15 , edited 12/24/15

instrumental20 wrote:
Yeah i know, i was just trying to get shinryou to give a more straightforward answer for once.
Instead of giving us the typical spiel and such.


I'm not in the position to do that anyway. I'm not Crunchyroll's spokesperson, I just try to help people here when I'm not doing my German things.
All I can say is that we're exploring all options when it comes to catalog. But some things are just not as easily or quickly achieved as many assume. It took like 6 years to get to the US business to the point where it is now, any other region is basically 3-5 years behind that. Especially European markets are very competitive when it comes to content, be it simulcast or catalog, and there are things that just take a very long time to achieve. I'm talking months, if not years - and it's not even just about money.
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May I also add something else, I noticed recently your stocking filler promotion, I'm going with promotion because I've never seen it before so the moment I did i tried to buy it and I couldn't (as someone who lives in South Africa). Is there a way we can get digital codes similar to that, where you buy a set subscription for a 3/6 or 12 month period. The only reason why I don't have a subscription is the fact that my currency loses value almost every day and this wouldn't be viable in the long run

If something like this already exists I'm very sorry but could you please tell me how to do it
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Posted 12/25/15 , edited 12/25/15

shinryou wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:
Yeah i know, i was just trying to get shinryou to give a more straightforward answer for once.
Instead of giving us the typical spiel and such.


I'm not in the position to do that anyway. I'm not Crunchyroll's spokesperson, I just try to help people here when I'm not doing my German things.
All I can say is that we're exploring all options when it comes to catalog. But some things are just not as easily or quickly achieved as many assume. It took like 6 years to get to the US business to the point where it is now, any other region is basically 3-5 years behind that. Especially European markets are very competitive when it comes to content, be it simulcast or catalog, and there are things that just take a very long time to achieve. I'm talking months, if not years - and it's not even just about money.


Danke shön for your honest reply shinryou, i appreciate it.
Last thing i'm gonna say though is, people want results now, sadly enough.
Unless CR starts to be more upfront and transparent about why Europe and the rest are getting the shaft, people will most likely start dropping their subscriptions and turn to easier methods if you catch my drift.
And when i say upfront, i don't mean through these one-off forum posts, but through something that will reach the entire CR user base.
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