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Posted 12/25/15 , edited 12/25/15
Well you have certain scenarios in general:

A) We attempt to license from a Japanese company:
If the partner is willing to give out a license, we make an offer, others make an offer possibly, and then the Japanese company picks a company to go with.

If a partner is unwilling to license abroad in general, does not like digital streaming, or disregards a certain region (or cuts regions differently than anyone else in the market), we can't do much about it. This also a scenario that may apply to catalog content not yet available in a certain region, as not every company is into reviving old titles from beyond the grave. Some may also have preferences, like heavy preference of disc releases or traditional TV broadcasts. For some stuff the company technically holding the rights may not even fully exist any more, with the rights just generating revenue locally which goes into paying off debts, but there is literally no staff any more to work out additional deals.

B) We attempt to license from a local company:
This means that the particular local company has full rights to the series, but has not yet exploited the streaming part of the rights. This basically means that we can sublicense that aspect from them.

Likewise such local companies may not be interested in exploiting streaming opportunities. They may also have their own plans regarding streaming.


As to why companies don't openly talk about who they are talking to and what their plans are: That's just how those things work. Very few companies can afford doing that. Things are only spoken about when the deal is done and ready to be presented. From what I know, Japanese companies are even more strict when it comes to that than western companies.
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Posted 12/27/15
And another well-known title North America only.

It's like Crunchyroll don't even care about their international reputation anymore.

They need to ease-off the NA-only announcements for a bit and start interspersing decent amount of more widely-available stuff. If they don't have any, they need to focus on that and hold off on some of the NA-only stuff simply to avoid their standing elsewhere from getting any worse.
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Posted 12/27/15
International users need to ask themselves if there were a separate service with the same shows available as CR now provides to you at the same price, would you subscribe to it?

If the answer is "Yes", then you are just making yourself miserable by constantly comparing what you get to what the US does.

Like it or not, there are a lot more subscribers and viewers here, which means a much bigger pool of money to work with, plus more cooperative video distribution companies for providing catalog titles. That isn't likely to change in the foreseeable future.

If the answer is "No", then the course of action should be obvious.


Keep in mind CR could be like Funimation and simply not bother with the rest of the world (while in many cases tying up rights for certain regions), or they could be like Daisuki and not offer a subscription option at all (making it impossible to complain about not getting as much for what you are paying).
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Posted 12/28/15

TheAncientOne wrote:

International users need to ask themselves if there were a separate service with the same shows available as CR now provides to you at the same price, would you subscribe to it?

If the answer is "Yes", then you are just making yourself miserable by constantly comparing what you get to what the US does.

Like it or not, there are a lot more subscribers and viewers here, which means a much bigger pool of money to work with, plus more cooperative video distribution companies for providing catalog titles. That isn't likely to change in the foreseeable future.

If the answer is "No", then the course of action should be obvious.


Keep in mind CR could be like Funimation and simply not bother with the rest of the world (while in many cases tying up rights for certain regions), or they could be like Daisuki and not offer a subscription option at all (making it impossible to complain about not getting as much for what you are paying).

Well in my case, i don't really have a choice. CR is literally the only anime streaming service in my country, so do tell me, what other choice do i have but to keep voicing my disapproval here.
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Posted 12/28/15

TheAncientOne wrote:

International users need to ask themselves if there were a separate service with the same shows available as CR now provides to you at the same price, would you subscribe to it?


Not enough data.

Does the hypothetical service have a queue system that's at least as good as CR's, if not better?
What about platforms? Which consoles or other TV-connected-devices does it have apps on?
How good is the encoding?
Does it have a CDN that allows for a similarly good, or better, levels of streaming?

If it was as good, and actually seemed to give more of a damn about its British users then I'd actually probably pay slightly more per months.
But without CR's featureset as a minimum, I'd not use an inferior service even it was half the cost.

Crunchyroll is the best service going, for many of us. We just get annoyed at only having a limited selection of the catalogue. Especially is what's "missing" is more to our taste than what we do get.
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Posted 12/28/15

instrumental20 wrote:

Well in my case, i don't really have a choice. CR is literally the only anime streaming service in my country, so do tell me, what other choice do i have but to keep voicing my disapproval here.

Apparently you forgot about Daisuki. In just a quick check I show this past season they provided at least the following titles to Netherlands:
Concrete Revolutio, The Asterisk War, Cardfight!! Vanguard G GIRS Crisis, MilPom, Hackadoll, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, and One Punch Man.

While not strictly an anime service, I wouldn't be surprised if a Viewster offered a few anime titles there, also.
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Posted 12/28/15 , edited 12/28/15

TheAncientOne wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:

Well in my case, i don't really have a choice. CR is literally the only anime streaming service in my country, so do tell me, what other choice do i have but to keep voicing my disapproval here.

Apparently you forgot about Daisuki. In just a quick check I show this past season they provided at least the following titles to Netherlands:
Concrete Revolutio, The Asterisk War, Cardfight!! Vanguard G GIRS Crisis, MilPom, Hackadoll, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, and One Punch Man.

While not strictly an anime service, I wouldn't be surprised if a Viewster offered a few anime titles there, also.


I was certainly aware of Daisuki, but due to my own financial reasons, i currently don't have a pc/laptop on which to watch those videos. So at the moment i can only use apps that i can access on my other devices.

But for the sake of this comment, i checked out both of the services you mentioned anyway.

Both services, indeed have a number of titles available that CR does not, especially Viewster had a few interesting titles.
But even so, the number of titles that are available on these services are but a fraction of what is currently available on CR, a number of which are already available on CR anyway.

And since these services also lack the access on other platforms through apps that CR has, i must say that these services aren't even close to being a viable alternative.

Edit: Okay, i kinda jumped the gun on that last comment there. Viewster does indeed have a app available on other devices.
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Posted 12/28/15

instrumental20 wrote:

I was certainly aware of Daisuki, but due to my own financial reasons, i currently don't have a pc/laptop on which to watch those videos. So at the moment i can only use apps that i can access on my other devices.

I don't know what devices you have, but Daisuki has apps for iOS and Android:
http://www.daisuki.net/app/

I know Viewster is available on the Roku, also has iOS and Android apps (https://www.viewster.com/mobile/) and on game consoles at the least has an Xbox 360 app (http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-360/apps/viewster), and list a variety of other devices:
https://www.viewster.com/about/devices/

I see on the blog entry where they announced the 360 app back in April, they also stated, "PS3/4 and Xbox One peeps: We haven’t forgotten about you. Promise." That same page also noted they are on the Amazon Fire TV (which CR isn't, at least not without sideloading the Android app).


And since these services also lack the access on other platforms through apps that CR has, i must say that these services aren't even close to being a viable alternative.

I was moreso addressing your comment about "CR is literally the only anime streaming service in my country".

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Posted 12/28/15 , edited 12/28/15

TheAncientOne wrote:


instrumental20 wrote:

I was certainly aware of Daisuki, but due to my own financial reasons, i currently don't have a pc/laptop on which to watch those videos. So at the moment i can only use apps that i can access on my other devices.

I don't know what devices you have, but Daisuki has apps for iOS and Android:
http://www.daisuki.net/app/

I know Viewster is available on the Roku, also has iOS and Android apps (https://www.viewster.com/mobile/) and on game consoles at the least has an Xbox 360 app (http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-360/apps/viewster), and list a variety of other devices:
https://www.viewster.com/about/devices/

I see on the blog entry where they announced the 360 app back in April, they also stated, "PS3/4 and Xbox One peeps: We haven’t forgotten about you. Promise." That same page also noted they are on the Amazon Fire TV (which CR isn't, at least not without sideloading the Android app).


And since these services also lack the access on other platforms through apps that CR has, i must say that these services aren't even close to being a viable alternative.

I was moreso addressing your comment about "CR is literally the only anime streaming service in my country".



I currently don't own any android or ios devices, so that rules out Daisuki.
As for Viewster, as i already stated above, i commented before i checked, i'm currently checking out the X360 app, which only streams in 480p... on a HD console? Hurray for alternatives

And also about that last bit, i thought i'd immediately give my opinion on these services and why they shouldn't be seen as viable alternatives to Crunchyroll. Which they are not imo.
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Posted 12/29/15

instrumental20 wrote:
And also about that last bit, i thought i'd immediately give my opinion on these services and why they shouldn't be seen as viable alternatives to Crunchyroll. Which they are not imo.


Exactly.

I'm already on record quite a bit about the state of Streaming over here. True, i can only really talk about the UK situation but I know that the rest of Europe is largely similar in most cases. And worse off in others.

Back in September I wrote about Anime streaming in the UK. This is before the new AppleTV was actually out and before Viewster formally unveiled OMAKASE. So this one includes a bit of speculation but basically sums up what it can be like.

Service-wise, Crunchyroll is king. Catalogue-wise, they're someone else's king. :-P

As for OMAKASE, I've written several blogs concerning Viewster and why their premium offering doesn't work for everyone. (In fact, if you're not in the US/Canada/UK then it currently won't work at all...)

i also recorded a vlog about Viewster and OMAKASE and a Viewster followup vlog a month later.

The alternatives all have a long way to go. They need improved functionality, platform availability and catalogues.
CR only really need the latter.

And, yes, I've also been asking Viewster to improve as well. But they really don't seem to give a damn about anyone who doesn't want (or geographically can't get) their box of tat.
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What I´m really worried is that each season in Spain we get less full length animes and more "shorts":

Summer 2014: 21
Autumn 2014: 17
Winter 2015: 12
Spring 2015: 16
Summer 2015: 10
Autumn 2015: 7

It seems that Crunchyroll is not longer doing its work with the spanish distributors, and it has been confirmed with them, who have switched from Crunchyroll to other services like Viewster or even Youtube. For example, Yowu used to offer all of its series in CR but this last season only released on CR Comet Lucifer while in Viewster they released Seraph of the End.
Some months ago somebody asked if CR was dropping the spanish/european market, I don´t think they are actively dropping it, but they don´t care about, we are only the beggars eating the droppings from the king's table.

PS: This last season I´ve seen more anime on Daisuki, Canal+ or Netflix than on Crunchyroll, I'm not planning on renewing my subscription, and the second reason is the poor quality of the subtitles on the series on the catalog.
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dirheim wrote:

What I´m really worried is that each season in Spain we get less full length animes and more "shorts":

Summer 2014: 21
Autumn 2014: 17
Winter 2015: 12
Spring 2015: 16
Summer 2015: 10
Autumn 2015: 7

It seems that Crunchyroll is not longer doing its work with the spanish distributors, and it has been confirmed with them, who have switched from Crunchyroll to other services like Viewster or even Youtube. For example, Yowu used to offer all of its series in CR but this last season only released on CR Comet Lucifer while in Viewster they released Seraph of the End.
Some months ago somebody asked if CR was dropping the spanish/european market, I don´t think they are actively dropping it, but they don´t care about, we are only the beggars eating the droppings from the king's table.

PS: This last season I´ve seen more anime on Daisuki, Canal+ or Netflix than on Crunchyroll, I'm not planning on renewing my subscription, and the second reason is the poor quality of the subtitles on the series on the catalog.


It sounds more like the local distributors are pursuing other means of streaming content, than CR is choosing less content for the Spanish market.
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Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

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It sounds more like the local distributors are pursuing other means of streaming content, than CR is choosing less content for the Spanish market.


What I've been told from some spanish distributors which used to display contents on CR is that from one year ago is harder to make deals with them, that's why they had to switch to other platforms or even drop the streaming content.
Also, I don't know if it's a urban legend, but it seems that one of the distributor with the biggest catalog was black listed because he dared to publish that they were going to publish their catalog in CR, so the higher ups cancelled the contract. In Spain there is a lot of lost love regarding CR, most of us see them as a failure initiative which only lures narutards.
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Well in regards to excluding other regions can I ask what the reason for your store discounts being exclusive to US customers is? I find it quite unfair that I can pay the same subscription (which with member discounts is somewhat linked to store prices anyway) and yet still get a very poor experience compared to NA buyers. There was obviously never going to be any 'free shipping over $75' for us but the prices you charge for shipping, the lack of inclusion on end of year / black friday sales etc. being combined with the shipping deal for americans is clearly 3 separate factors that all indicate you're pushing us to get a far worse deal.

I tried to ask about it and point it out when it came to the labour day sale, seemed to be ignored. Tried furthermore during the black friday sale and it was ignored. Then again at the end of year sale it just felt like the staff simply had no inclination or care to even respond or address the issue.

It just feels like you guys don't really address the issues and don't really try to do much for the community unless they are from NA and it's very disappointing you wouldn't respond to such stuff in the slightest or do anything to help us. It's basically just american prejudice where there is no real excuse like licensing to hide behind and just paves the way for scalpers from america to buy cheap and sell high to us EU customers who already have it rough with crappier service and higher prices.

Funny enough I never get ads anyway so there's no real reason for me to subscribe if the ads never work, the staff refuse to listen and the sales are always in the favour of others anyway. I'll probably just end subscribing tbh. Despite trying to raise the discounts issue 3 separate times I've yet to see them even acknowledge it, very poor for any business who wants to build a happy customer base.
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It's also pretty poor that the CR marketing and news emails aren't tailored to the each region.

I was excited to get an email telling me that Digimon Adventure Tri was available on simulcast, only to find the following when visiting the link: "Sorry, due to licensing limitations, videos are unavailable in your region."
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