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I read about this and then disabled Flash on my browser and then remembered this site uses it.
http://consumerist.com/2015/12/01/adobe-joins-its-critics-tells-people-not-to-use-flash/

It might be time the makers of this site start thinking about updating the page to use something else.
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they're not going to switch to the superior html 5 because protecting the interest of copyright holders by preventing[1] people from ripping is far more important than safeguarding against the many viruses and malwares that exploits the vulnerability in flash.

[1] not really, anyone who claims otherwise never heard of torrents. even if they stopped people from ripping CR, people still upload content from the TV streams, so CR rip becomes irrelevant for them. there's also fansubs, which can be used in place of official subs by CR. effectively, using flash benefits no-one and only hurt the legit users.
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Posted 12/2/15
I like the ability to turn Adobe Flash off in Firefox. Then when I want to watch CR, Firefox asks if I want to turn it on just for that video.

I cannot do that with HTML5. If I leave my browser open, especially with Weather Underground and all its advertising, it can suddenly start blasting a random audio ad. Now I make sure my browsers are closed before I go to bed.
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Posted 12/2/15
Youtube uses html5, and the player uses some “mediasource” namespace or whatever for the source of their videos. And you can't exactly download that, as far as I know.

"mediasource:https://www.youtube.com/{some video id}"

So it's a little bit of something to prevent people from straight up downloading a video as a single file. Although I'm sure there are some ways to reconstruct a video file from the parts that are cached on the client.

The html5 subtitle / cc options weren't too great last time I checked, which makes a much bigger impact on crunchyroll's decision. Even if html5 subs were decent, it might be a real headache converting the sub files used for the flash player... dunno just speculation. Just thinking about it, if I were in crunchyroll's position I wouldn't want to announce plans to convert until I knew all the functionality could be preserved.
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Posted 12/2/15

Airvh wrote:

I read about this and then disabled Flash on my browser and then remembered this site uses it.
http://consumerist.com/2015/12/01/adobe-joins-its-critics-tells-people-not-to-use-flash/

It might be time the makers of this site start thinking about updating the page to use something else.


The problem is that Flash is the easiest and best solution for now since HTML5 in of it self doesn't allow any form of DRM, therefore it doesn't allow CR to protect their files if they start to use HTML5. Yes they can use Google's WebM and similar things in addition to HTML5, but then it would work best on Google's own Chrome browser and crap everywhere else.

The problem with HTML5 is that there's not really a way to protect your content with it, instead what I'd say is that moving over to Microsoft's Silverlight solution might be a better idea. However the problem with that one is that Microsoft have openly stated that it'll kill it off in the next few years due to it not being profitable...
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Posted 12/2/15

Bryaugh wrote:

Youtube uses html5, and the player uses some “mediasource” namespace or whatever for the source of their videos. And you can't exactly download that, as far as I know.

"mediasource:https://www.youtube.com/{some video id}"

So it's a little bit of something to prevent people from straight up downloading a video as a single file. Although I'm sure there are some ways to reconstruct a video file from the parts that are cached on the client.

The html5 subtitle / cc options weren't too great last time I checked, which makes a much bigger impact on crunchyroll's decision. Even if html5 subs were decent, it might be a real headache converting the sub files used for the flash player... dunno just speculation. Just thinking about it, if I were in crunchyroll's position I wouldn't want to announce plans to convert until I knew all the functionality could be preserved.


Downloading youtube videos is a insainly easy task... Just type save in front of the URL name and there you go... Just using HTML5 is just stupid since it's too easy to crack.

But Youtube doesn't use pure HTML since there's no protection provided for it. Youtube uses Google's own WebM, media extensions and etc. But in all honesty, I don't rhink CR have the money required to change over to such a system...

https://www.youtube.com/html5
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>CR using flash to "protect" their video files
>people who pirate get tv rips and do not even care that CR have drm
>legit users stuck with inferior video format
i loled.

edit: even without drm, free users are stuck with 480p quality. i would lol if anyone would even bother downloading such low quality videos..
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Posted 12/2/15
All popular internet software will be hacked and exploited flash and even html5 are no excepttions. What would be cool is if they had an app for windows like they do for android and consoles. No web browsers no security issues (hopefully). However there would be less trafic to the site making it go down on google search results which could hurt the site.
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Posted 12/2/15
yup^ much will allways find their way, redirecting is a bitch and downloads happends so fast you don't even see them.
When you first open a door much shit can come through but then my god said "nope" and blocked those bitches out!
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Flash is so awesum

Remember Poke The Bunny?
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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:
Downloading youtube videos is a insainly easy task... Just type save in front of the URL name and there you go... Just using HTML5 is just stupid since it's too easy to crack.


Ehhh... what? could you explain that in a little more detail, or give an example? Are you talking about pasting the video url into the address bar? Or where the hell do you type save?
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Posted 12/2/15

jujitsu213 wrote:

All popular internet software will be hacked and exploited flash and even html5 are no excepttions. What would be cool is if they had an app for windows like they do for android and consoles. No web browsers no security issues (hopefully). However there would be less trafic to the site making it go down on google search results which could hurt the site.


There's a mayor difference in HTML5 and Flash. Flash is a extension that you yourself install or have pre-installed on your device, while HTML5 is just a design language used to make websites and nothing more.

Flash is also a extension that have access to your computers root directory (system) files and therefore can directly impact your computer both in harm ways and performance wise. The only way for HTML5 to harm your computer is if someone makes a website with the intention of harming computers, by having file auto downloads at which points nobody will visit the site. While flash and other extensions like Java puts you as a open target if you use them, no matter if you're on or off a certain website.

The problem however that HTML5 is facing is that it's a open language, therefore it next to impossible to protect files using DRM. hence companies like CR won't use it...
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Posted 12/2/15

Bryaugh wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:
Downloading youtube videos is a insainly easy task... Just type save in front of the URL name and there you go... Just using HTML5 is just stupid since it's too easy to crack.


Ehhh... what? could you explain that in a little more detail, or give an example? Are you talking about pasting the video url into the address bar? Or where the hell do you type save?


Well, for the lazy and/or uninformed, there are programs that are free you can use that will simply take a URL and make a save file for you of that video.

Or if you know what you're doing, there's plenty of nifty things you can do. Like getting around regional restrictions. You can just Google most things though if you really want to know.
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Posted 12/2/15
Sometimes I hate people. This attitude has killed my community and I know that it wasn't necessary. Even today I find that flash has its uses. Nothing is simpler to use yet offers so much that you can do. A child could use flash and make somthing out of it.

Even now we have no real replacement. People will say HTML5 but why would we replace flash with somthing worse? Every browser reads HTML5 differently and it's full of bugs. Flash was always reliable until people gave up on it.

Meh, I'll probably die off with my old world anyway. If people want to kill flash then I'm powerless to stop it. Still, I'll defend it even in it's death.
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i hate flash. its slows down webpages to the point of crashing firefox. and some times it crashes windoze as well. sucks up 600mb just doing nothing but reading FF.net i fing hate it, not to mention the flash based pages that dont let you go back or close with out clicking yes.
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