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352 Mass Shootings - 2015
Posted 12/2/15

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That they do. If someone used a knife, it is still possible, but someone with martial arts training could easily disarm them. Hell, I could win a fight if they only had a knife. I took Tae Kwon Do and Judo for a few years each. I could do pretty well in that scenario. Put in a gun and well. I hope I get close enough for a good kick!


I could almost respect a mad unstoppable swordsman serial killer
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How about a knife
http://news.sky.com/story/1219461/china-train-station-mass-stabbing-33-dead


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Thank you. I try to provide some intellectual stability among most quacks that post.

I suppose that is most likely true; Americans have been anti-immigrant and anti-refugee for most of the 20th, and now 21st century. And absolutely. It is meticulously difficult to read and interpret information in the most objective manner, especially when you are basing your perceptions of foreign entities or people without any actual exposure to an individual or experience from that culture.

Honestly? I think it is a matter of education, which isn't to say there is a one answer cure-all, but the more educated you are the better your ability to reason. There may be mental illness present in society, and there may be some individuals who no matter what level of education simply have the neuro-makeup to not care or desire to commit violent crimes (seen in some Psychopathy cases), but for the average standard I feel that education would help. More to the root of the problem of why the lack of agreement is an issue though, in most instances I would assert that it is often tied to a religious based ideology that causes such a polarization of emotion. It's like the crazy old guy that shot up planned parenthood last week; he was born and raised in a highly Christian society, shared the values that most conservative Christians do, and was committed to them so much that he was willing to act out against an "evil" organization in his mind. So indeed how can we solve something that is, well I hate to say not prevalent because gun violence is prevalent, but in relation to statistical population how do we monitor the radically few?

An interesting statistic from http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/pages/welcome.aspx In 2011, firearm crimes comprised 8 percent of all violent crimes.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/?utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.0&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalreview.com%2Fcorner%2F427758%2Fcareful-panic-violent-crime-and-gun-crime-are-both-dropping-charles-c-w-cooke

Honestly, despite what most people think, Firearm violence and violent crime in general has been on a downward trend. Especially in the big scope of humanity in general. Read this article if you have a chance - it will go throw various reports and statistics showing the downward trend. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427758/careful-panic-violent-crime-and-gun-crime-are-both-dropping-charles-c-w-cooke

The coolest thing is that while I'm tying in religion and upbringing guess who has the highest non-religious population? Northern Europe & the Scandinavian Countries, which also have the highest ranking educational systems globally in last year's assessment. While I do partially share your sentiment, I do not believe that guns or the process, or amount of process, it requires to legally get one ultimately are the deciding factor; I think it is the individual who chooses a radical interpretation of whatever ideology (it certainly doesn't have to be religious) and the lack of reason/rational thought that needs attention. Which is harder because as I said, how do you control an already minor part of society?
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Posted 12/2/15

eldos1 wrote:

How about a knife
http://news.sky.com/story/1219461/china-train-station-mass-stabbing-33-dead




Much harder to do that with a knife than a gun. I can tell you anyone with martial arts training would be able to have disarmed him much easier than if he had a gun.


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Dark_Alma wrote:


That they do. If someone used a knife, it is still possible, but someone with martial arts training could easily disarm them. Hell, I could win a fight if they only had a knife. I took Tae Kwon Do and Judo for a few years each. I could do pretty well in that scenario. Put in a gun and well. I hope I get close enough for a good kick!


I could almost respect a mad unstoppable swordsman serial killer


Well, I can agree there. I remember a man once stopping a robbery with a katana. That was an epic headline.
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If I knew an absolute foolproof way to lower gun violence I would be president of the United States...
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Posted 12/2/15

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Start working on the root causes of the problem.

Spend on mental health care, spend on social programs that put people to work and keep them fed. Discus gun control at a national level and what value the second amendment still has. Get the police to stop shooting unarmed people, and stop running from the police. Fix the lack of public defenders and the time they have to serve justice. Stop trying to run government based directly on your religious beliefs and instead use the lessons they teach of making you a better person to make common sense solutions that apply to everyone not just who you rely on to get re-elected.

I think people need to look to our poor and our prisoners and realize we are not helping any of them as we should. There is always going to be bad people but we don't need to create situations where normal people have to be bad by circumstance,



Good post sir.
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There has to be something wrong though, it wasn't this bad a few years ago and the gun laws have always remained the same. Something has just changed in recent years to cause this.
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I think there are more and more because people who read in the media about these shootings think that is their perfect moment to get their 15 minutes of fame. Back when the media didn't make a big deal of this type of thing there was significantly less going on. It's just a whole lot of copy-cats and the media is the one giving them the ideas. So, if I were to blame one single thing for all the shootings going on, it would be the media.
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Wait. You stricter gun laws will help bring down mass shootings? lol what

No person or organization(yes, that includes the government) can really control guns.

Owning and having guns are an inalienable right, under no circumstances can we choose rights for each person. No license is necessary. Etc. if you don't wanna get shot up, bring your own gun.


Amendments can be repealed. Cars are not a right but most people have them. I'm no longer convinced that we need guns as a right any longer, and I say that as a gun owner.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Wait. You stricter gun laws will help bring down mass shootings? lol what

No person or organization(yes, that includes the government) can really control guns.

Owning and having guns are an inalienable right, under no circumstances can we choose rights for each person. No license is necessary. Etc. if you don't wanna get shot up, bring your own gun.


Amendments can be repealed. Cars are not a right but most people have them. I'm no longer convinced that we need guns as a right any longer, and I say that as a gun owner.


No they can't. The only people who can change the constitution are the ones who written it. Europeans and Moors.

Without both of them present, and with full consciousness and nationality can anyone make any adjustments.

The constitution hasn't been changed in over a century. If it could be repealed, the government would have tried it already, but they can't, so they made another constitution with a similar name.

Tl;dr, anyone who thinks rights can be repealed is probably uneducated or is a Marxist.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

There has to be something wrong though, it wasn't this bad a few years ago and the gun laws have always remained the same. Something has just changed in recent years to cause this.


I'm sure it's a multitude of things, but society in America seems to be trickling downward in general across the board. Overreacting seems to be the go to for many.

Either way, guns aren't leaving any time in America. As a few have pointed out, guns aren't the root problem here. It's just part of the trickle down effect from the root, and there isn't a single root that is causing this on it's own. It would be impossible to address them all, and to a decent degree, people are going to have to learn to take some responsibility for themselves.

It's honestly not even that bad in a lot of places in America though. Sure beats Boston 30+ years ago...
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Yea, I do know that the shooting rate in America is dropping, but it is still far too high for a first world country. Most of the world can attest to that.

I also agree that religion, politics, and education can play a large role in the motives of shootings. In religion you have vastly varying beliefs that people hold dear to their hearts. In politics it is just a clusterfuck. Education has bullying and isolation, as kids can be the cruelest of all living beings.

I do think that a better education could help curb the amount of shootings, but as you stated, there is no one cure-all. There are many factors that allow shootings to happen, as well as many factors that make it incredibly easy to do so. I think both of these issues would need to be addressed to help solve this issue of murder in the USA. " I do not believe that guns or the process, or amount of process, it requires to legally get one ultimately are the deciding factor; I think it is the individual who chooses a radical interpretation of whatever ideology (it certainly doesn't have to be religious) and the lack of reason/rational thought that needs attention." We agree and differ here a bit. It is not the deciding factor, but it makes it harder for the people with the motives to actually get a gun and kill with it.

If I was in Germany again, wanted to shoot up my Uni for giving me an F on a paper I spent 300 hours on. I would have to break into a house to steal one. No way in hell would I manage to buy on in time for me to exact my revenge while my motive is still on my sleeve. That and training for guns and the license there is a pain in the arse! If I was in the USA. Meh, I can skip the license (just go to a gun show), ima just walk down the block, get a few mags. Go to another store, buy some more mags and ammo, do it again at a 3rd. I now have enough ammo to put a militia to shame. I can now exact my revenge within a day or two.

I think the USA makes it too easy to do this stuff. That and gun shows are so lax on the rules. Makes it too easy to get stuff there. Needs to be cleaned up.
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Posted 12/2/15

MattMiller wrote:

Start working on the root causes of the problem.

Spend on mental health care, spend on social programs that put people to work and keep them fed. Discus gun control at a national level and what value the second amendment still has. Get the police to stop shooting unarmed people, and stop running from the police. Fix the lack of public defenders and the time they have to serve justice. Stop trying to run government based directly on your religious beliefs and instead use the lessons they teach of making you a better person to make common sense solutions that apply to everyone not just who you rely on to get re-elected.

I think people need to look to our poor and our prisoners and realize we are not helping any of them as we should. There is always going to be bad people but we don't need to create situations where normal people have to be bad by circumstance,



Really like this post. Brought up a few things I hadn't thought about. This is why I made the thread!
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I wonder how it affect's you when you don't even live in the U.S OP....
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Execute more criminals ...more swiftly, build and strengthen gutted commitment laws, don't import 100,000 Muslims (who cannot be vetted) at 67k a pop.


Kill people, control people, and exclude people is your solution lol? & Exactly how many of those 352 mass shootings were related to Muslims? Yeah, so if you can find me 10 examples (which I don't think you can even find 5) then you reach a significant .028% of all the shootings. Congratulations.


Not kill people ...execute murderers - there is a difference; control people who are unable our unwilling to control themselves? You bet! (lol) Ever hear of September 11? .028% is more than enough ...if we had only banned air travel September 11 would never have happened! A lot of people have died in Paris ... IslamoNazi terrorists have promised to do the same here, they have promised to infiltrate Syrian refuges (no one is allowed to ask these refugees whether or not they support ISIS!) ...I believe them, THEY believe in that .028% chance.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadist_extremism_in_the_United_States

There, that is more than 5, more than 10 - not counting the foiled attempts.
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